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British pub landlady wins Sky TV satellite card case

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A British pub landlady has today won her legal battle with the English Premier League over her use of a foreign satellite TV decoder to show live games.

Karen Murphy took her case to the European Courts of Justice after she was fined almost £8,000 for showing Premier League football in her pub in Portsmouth via an imported satellite card from Greek broadcaster NOVA, which cost around a tenth of the fee normally charged by Sky.

In February, advocate general Juliane Kokott said in a non-binding 'opinion' that broadcasters such as Sky should not be able to prevent customers from using cheaper foreign satellite TV equipment to watch the Premier League.

The ECJ judges have today said in a preliminary ruling that national laws prohibiting the import, sale or use of foreign decoder cards are "contrary to the freedom to provide services and cannot be justified either in light of the objective of protecting intellectual property rights or by the objective of encouraging the public to attend football stadiums".

The judges said that "a system of exclusive licences is also contrary to European Union competition law if the licence agreements prohibit the supply of decoder cards to television viewers who wish to watch the broadcasts outside the Member State for which the licence is granted".

The ruling in favour of Murphy could drastically change the way Premier League rights are agreed across Europe and lead to a shakeup of the exclusive deals with Sky and ESPN.

Speaking to BBC News, sports media lawyer Daniel Geey of Field Fisher Waterhouse solicitors said the Premier League will now have to "decide how it wishes to re-tender its rights".

"There can be little doubt it will have contingency plans ready to go and has various options available," he said.

"Be it a pan-EU tender, selling in only certain EU member states or devising a plan to start its own channel, they will be deciding how best to maximise the value of their product to ensure any revenue shortfall is minimised."

In 2005, Murphy signed up to receive the Sky Sports packages in her Portsmouth pub, The Red White and Blue, but soon found the subscription fee - around £1,000 - charged by Sky too high to sustain.

After switching to the cheaper NOVA service – which cost £118 a month, rather than £480 a month with Sky - enforcers working on behalf of Football Association Premier League Limited (FAPL) - a private firm representing the interests of all 20 English Premier League clubs - prosecuted Murphy on grounds that only Sky could show its games in the UK. She was ordered to pay nearly £8,000 in fines and costs.

In her legal 'opinion' in February, advocate general Kokott said that preventing Murphy from accessing Premier League games from any other broadcaster than Sky was a "serious impairment of the freedom to provide services".

The ECJ judges supported the opinion and added that live matches from the Premier League could not be protected by copyright.

However, they also said that opening video sequences, the Premier League anthem and any pre-recorded highlights or graphics were "works" and so to show them in a pub would require permission from the Premier League.

Murphy's case will now go back to the High Court in London, which had referred the matter to European court, to get a final ruling.
 
"However, they also said that opening video sequences, the Premier League anthem and any pre-recorded highlights or graphics were "works" and so to show them in a pub would require permission from the Premier League" how the hell are you supposed to avoid this it is completely unworkable as it is common sense has to prevail and there has to be a happy compromise to suit all parties
 
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ok.. 2 questions..

If she wins her case.. in the final court she can access.. What are the implacations for EPL.. ie.. CASH.. Who are the winner and loosers.. ?

If she looses the case.. in the final cout she can access.. What are the implacations for EPL.. ie.. CASH.. Who are the winners and loosers.. ?

After all.. cash is what this is all about.. Innit.. ????
 
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well she has won, and good on her,...not got the details yet...but one up for the little people
 
well she has and she has not. it's still being referred to yet another a higher court.
 
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well its a bg step forward....sorry about the link, but ironic humour
 
yeah i agree. although i have a feeling that the EPL are going to make sure that these foreign providers have to pay way more for their broadcasts now meaning bigger prices for the end user inline with sky sports.
 
this is the interesting part as far as i can see from another thread on this.

“This is because the pub is perfectly free to get itself a decoder card from a Greek broadcaster,which the Court has ruled is a single market issue, but if they use the card in the pub then that is a copyright issue. In other words, the landlady can’t use the card to show Premier League football to customers,bu tonly for her private use.”
 
Thats bad news for pubs can you imagine the call to pl headquarters asking for permission to show the games its never going to happen,on the other hand its great news for private viewers
 
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My understanding of what I have read so far is they can show the footy but anything associated with the FAPL is banned, so no PL music or logo's
 
no doubt there will be yet more legal wrangling in this case yet to come.
 
the FULL judgment can be read here

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http://curia.europa.eu/jurisp/cgi-bin/form.pl?lang=EN&Submit=rechercher&numaff=C-403%2F08

its the top link

direct from the court itself, in full, and unedited

i was in the red white and blue on wednesday night having a few pints and chatting to the staff there, they said they had been flooded with offers of a FREE satellite system, just for the advertising that would come with it lol
 
the FULL judgment can be read here

Code:
http://curia.europa.eu/jurisp/cgi-bin/form.pl?lang=EN&Submit=rechercher&numaff=C-403%2F08

its the top link

direct from the court itself, in full, and unedited

i was in the red white and blue on wednesday night having a few pints and chatting to the staff there, they said they had been flooded with offers of a FREE satellite system, just for the advertising that would come with it lol

And fully deserved as well, in the end, the answer was always there

DONT ARGUE WITH A WOEMAN, you will lose in the end, and it will cost you as well

Well done to her, and although not over yet, I think she will do very well from this
 
basil, having put in a football card for my brother in his pub, on the basis of the Murphy case, I agree that sorting out sports channels is not half of sorting a woman's scorn
 
basil, having put in a football card for my brother in his pub, on the basis of the Murphy case, I agree that sorting out sports channels is not half of sorting a woman's scorn

i would not count your chickens yet because the FA still say that it is illegal to watch EPL games in uk pubs on any channel than sky or epsn.
 
"We are pleased that the judgment makes it clear that the screening in a pub of football-match broadcasts containing protected works requires the Premier League's authorisation. Currently only Sky and ESPN are authorised by the Premier League to make such broadcasts.



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http://www.premierleague.com/page/Headlines/0,,12306~2472418,00.html

that pretty much says it all.
 
that pretty much says it all.

but look at the website its on m8, phone media protection services and ask them about it, and youll STILL get told that lies that its 100% illegal to show anything other than sly in a public house

the ONLY thing that is not allowed to be shown is the stuff that FAPL have a copyright over, such as their theme tune, the credits, DOG, match analysis (which a lot of foreign providors dont show im led to believe)

but, and this is what will keep it all up in the air

by selling the rights to a providor, they also sell the rights for that providor to broadcast the copyright material to the end paying user

the courts have said, that as long as the end user has paid, and watching on equipment that hasnt been modified to get the services for free, then they are not breaking any laws

going on that basis, the end user has paid the FAPL for the rights to show this copyrighted material, via the broadcaster

this has ALWAYS been the arguement that everyone knew sly and the FAPL couldnt win, so they based their case on the grounds of cards being used outside of intended terretories

itll be interesting to now see what sort of mess the UK courts make of this, cos you just know theyre going to throw another spanner into the works
 

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