[OS-mio] Satellite selection after blindscanning

[ArloGuthrie]

For quite a long time. Possibly forever. No only with my OsMio.

Every time I run multiple blindscans and manual scans at the very least.
The Satellite selection line where you use the RCU L/R 4-way buttons.
The selection will not allow using the right key anymore. It simply freezes.
The left button always works. But of course you must cycle through the entire satellite list to get to the one that a single press of the right button would suffice.
Of course if you error and cycle one too far, you must left-button cycle the entire list again.

A deep standby and boot or reboot clears the bug for a few scans. Then happens again.
I've found an init 4, init 3 in putty does not help. A reboot must be done.

The anomaly has been present in different images besides ViX for a long time.
Can it be addressed and possibly fixed?

 

[Huevos]

Are you using your own satellites.xml file?

 

[ArloGuthrie]

Out of the box, the way it is.
Out of interest what would be scenarios if one were used?
Because 6.2, 6.3, etc. did it also. But not only ViX. TNAP is the only image that hasn't.

 

[Huevos]

Tell me which entry it is jamming on.

 

[ArloGuthrie]

Firstly. I'm recovering after lightning damage to my lnbf. And my dish mover was destroyed. Around a year ago. So I've been stuck on one satellite.
All of that is fixed.
The situation can be described as. Many transponder changes here. When I get a tp on a satellite. Peak for signal. Then blindscan it for new tp's.
Only scan unknown transponders: No
Disable sync with known transponders: Yes
Get a few that may need another signal peak by steering the dish and saving the position. Diseqc 1.2 mover.
Go back to rescan.Finish the process.
Then decide to scroll to the next satellite using the right rcu 4-way key.
I cannot sequence right. Only using the left button sequences the list.

And as you can do in Manual scan. Navigate to the satellite selection line. Press the center OK button. And the satellite list appears in a separate screen.
In blindscan, doing the same initiates the scan.

But. A Deep Standby and boot clears the inability to use the right button. For maybe a few scans. And again. It (button) won't let you cycle the list. Only the left button works.
Perhaps in the driver itself? It happens in different images. Perhaps I could help you help me figure it out.

Oh. FYI. I do have a Zgemma H7 I use in client mode only. Because blindscan never really did work. Can't compare apples to apples.

 

[ArloGuthrie]

Idle time for thought?
A few other things. A lot. I mean a LOT of hang-up's, freezes, Spinny ViX logo in the upper left of the screen. Total freeze if landing on a channel with no signal for a period.
While I steer my dish trying to get a signal.
Also. Unpredictable but when the TV shuts down. Or I switch HDMI inputs to my streaming box. When I switch back to the Edision. Signal but no video or audio.
Sometimes just cycling to another channel restores a/v. Usually the receiver just becomes unresponsive. No FTP access, no webif. So pulling the plug is necessary.
Then. It seems. Unless the receiver is put in deep standby afterwards and powered up again. It will hang up in a few minutes.

I hear that a crashlog is saved. May I get the actual names of the logs that may assist diagnosing?
6.6 does seem to hang/crash much more than previous versions.

 

[twol]

Idle time for thought?
A few other things. A lot. I mean a LOT of hang-up's, freezes, Spinny ViX logo in the upper left of the screen. Total freeze if landing on a channel with no signal for a period.
While I steer my dish trying to get a signal.
Also. Unpredictable but when the TV shuts down. Or I switch HDMI inputs to my streaming box. When I switch back to the Edision. Signal but no video or audio.
Sometimes just cycling to another channel restores a/v. Usually the receiver just becomes unresponsive. No FTP access, no webif. So pulling the plug is necessary.
Then. It seems. Unless the receiver is put in deep standby afterwards and powered up again. It will hang up in a few minutes.

I hear that a crashlog is saved. May I get the actual names of the logs that may assist diagnosing?
6.6 does seem to hang/crash much more than previous versions.

I have had an Edision Mio4kplus a long time and its a nice receiver BUT it likes a good signal to lock compared to my other boxes, So as my 28.2E signal can be variable and vary between none and reasonable, where some boxes will recover more easily, if the signal is weakish the Mio takes its time often springing back to life while I am doing something else.
This is regardless of image.

 

[ArloGuthrie]

The satellite selection scrolling thing aside. Very good description and makes some sense now.
So. Inside if I get a satellite with weak signal. BTW. Just installed an OMT with two Norsat lnb's.
And go out to the dish. Up a step ladder to tweak the feed for best signal. My body as low as possible to reduce blocking the signal. I lose and get signal back. Get it best as possible.
Down the ladder, drag it out of the way. And see how much better the signal is.
A few times I've lost signal totally. And a little confused because I did not move the feed that much. Phone app showing no signal. Go back inside and see Mr. Spinny ViX logo on the screen.
Receiver is basically frozen. Unplug it and reboot. Signal and function returns. Do it again.
Good comparison?

Also. Out of curiosity. I placed my trimmed satellites.xml in place of the factory one.
No less, no better that it was. After a few blindscans in a row. The right button stops letting me cycle satellites.
A manual scan OK button press that has a new page of selectable satellites implemented in blindscan would be cool.
Because pressing the OK button currently initiates the scan in blindscan.

 

[twol]

The satellite selection scrolling thing aside. Very good description and makes some sense now.
So. Inside if I get a satellite with weak signal. BTW. Just installed an OMT with two Norsat lnb's.
And go out to the dish. Up a step ladder to tweak the feed for best signal. My body as low as possible to reduce blocking the signal. I lose and get signal back. Get it best as possible.
Down the ladder, drag it out of the way. And see how much better the signal is.
A few times I've lost signal totally. And a little confused because I did not move the feed that much. Phone app showing no signal. Go back inside and see Mr. Spinny ViX logo on the screen.
Receiver is basically frozen. Unplug it and reboot. Signal and function returns. Do it again.
Good comparison?

Also. Out of curiosity. I placed my trimmed satellites.xml in place of the factory one.
No less, no better that it was. After a few blindscans in a row. The right button stops letting me cycle satellites.
A manual scan OK button press that has a new page of selectable satellites implemented in blindscan would be cool.
Because pressing the OK button currently initiates the scan in blindscan.

I usually stick either an ipad or laptop within viewable or at least hearing range ( the latter depends on the app used) and then just finger tap the dish and check again.
Physically moving a dish on my sats and reception coverage is usually too big a jump

 

[Huevos]

Also. Out of curiosity. I placed my trimmed satellites.xml in place of the factory one.
No less, no better that it was. After a few blindscans in a row. The right button stops letting me cycle satellites.
A manual scan OK button press that has a new page of selectable satellites implemented in blindscan would be cool.
Because pressing the OK button currently initiates the scan in blindscan.

https://github.com/oe-alliance/oe-alliance-plugins/commit/5217190e21285058b56351b769303e1686709d83

With that change it should show the sat list on Ok press.
Not cycling right usually means there is a problem with satellites.xml.

If you load the change onto your box and restart, you should be able to open the sat list with "ok" key when it gets stuck and we will be able to see the entry it is stuck on.

 

[el bandido]

https://github.com/oe-alliance/oe-alliance-plugins/commit/5217190e21285058b56351b769303e1686709d83

With that change it should show the sat list on Ok press.
Not cycling right usually means there is a problem with satellites.xml.

If you load the change onto your box and restart, you should be able to open the sat list with "ok" key when it gets stuck and we will be able to see the entry it is stuck on.

He's probably restoring the same defect when loading images due to the satellites.xml being in /etc/enigma2? It might be a good idea to post the modified satellites.xml so it can be checked for defects.

Or even the likes of 105W???. With the radio channels that take a very long time to scan in. Really long.
Setting a smaller scan range gives faster results. But you need to do it multiple times. And a bug in E2 software bogs down or even stops future scans to a halt. Requiring a reboot.
So a valid procedure would be to take the blindscan .xml results in ./tmp and paste them into the relative satellite in the ./tuxbox .xml.
Whether keeping the software or migrating to a new or different E2 version. Keeping the appended .xml in safe storage and transferring it to the new version.
There is no complete starting over. Much like you can paste Nims info. in the settings file. So you don't have to configure satellites one-by-one.

On the same subject of the satellites.xml. In stock form there are just tons of every single TV/Raadio satellite in orbit. And when scrolling through the list when searching for a sat. to configure.
Most. You will never ever be able to see. In my case 40.5W-127W.
Get rid of all of the others. The software doesn't care. And the bug where if you use the left and right 4-way button to scroll the list too many times still persists. Eventually it freezes. Or refuses to let you go backwards if you bypass your sat. of interest.
Not only does shortening the satellite list make sense. It makes perfect 100% sense. And then, you look at Tek's "blindscan" files.

For the blindscan plugin, there has always been a shortcut for the Edision 4k receivers. Press the pvr button to see the list of possible satellites to scan as shown below. Other receiver models usually have a shortcut key to open the satellites list. This shortcut works in other menus.

This listing of the satellites feature is buggy. Example: If you are currently on a c band satellite and highlight a ku satellite, then the parameters will be for c band instead of ku band. I suspect the OK button mod would do the same.

 

[Huevos]

He's probably restoring the same defect when loading images due to the satellites.xml being in /etc/enigma2? It might be a good idea to post the modified satellites.xml so it can be checked for defects.

I wonder what his good reason for needing a modified satellites.xml.

For the blindscan plugin, there has always been a shortcut for the Edision 4k receivers. Press the pvr button to see the list of possible satellites to scan as shown below. Other receiver models usually have a shortcut key to open the satellites list. This shortcut works in other menus.

That has been like that for years on all boxes but was never an obvious feature.

This listing of the satellites feature is buggy. Example: If you are currently on a c band satellite and highlight a ku satellite, then the parameters will be for c band instead of ku band. I suspect the OK button mod would do the same.

Do you mean if you press left/right the parameters do update correctly, but not if you use the list feature?

 

[el bandido]

Do you mean if you press left/right the parameters do update correctly, but not if you use the list feature?

Correct. Pressing left or right allows the parameters to properly update. But when you use the list and move to a ku satellite from a c band satellite, the blindscan menu shows c band parameters instead of ku band parameters. Move one direction either way (Left or Right), then return to the desired satellite will set the correct parameters.

 

[Huevos]

Do you mean if you press left/right the parameters do update correctly, but not if you use the list feature?

https://github.com/oe-alliance/oe-alliance-plugins/commit/e57aef170e3d73af7d714f80f3cf348024d8bb57 should fix that behaviour.

 

[el bandido]

Ihttps://github.com/oe-alliance/oe-al...cf348024d8bb57 should fix that behaviour.

The recent fixes to the blindscan plugin are an improvement. Thanks!

I wonder what his good reason for needing a modified satellites.xml.

The idea is to capture and add the transponders found in blindscan and add them to the satellites.xml. He would like a way for this to be done automatically after each blindscan for whatever reason.


The spinner, receiver freezing and other problems may be a switching issue. There are two C band lnb and one Ku band lnbf in the dish system. A fairly complex switching system is used to control these 3 lnbs. Terminators instead of dust cover caps are installed on All unused ports. Picture of switch system is shown below.

 

[ArloGuthrie]

Sorry. Was a long day.
EB. You know I'm looking for a different switch. To repeat. The Zinwell came with terminators attached.
Switching on the 1.0 switch was iffy. And you (again) are well aware I'm searching for another to try to see if the no-man's-land when it switches from the C band array to ku. Port 1,2. A/B in tuner setup. Goes away.
C band H-V is fast and immediate. You know also that I have never used a 1.0 switch. It was suggested to try terminators on the unused ports that would never be switched or used. Ever.
And that cured the switching lag immediately. Again. Trying again (after getting used to the newly 'working again,,,yayyy! system) removing them, and again, the lag returned.
The unused ports will never ever be used. Looking for a decent 4X1 diseqc 1.1 switch.
Perhaps to you it looks complicated. It is a mini duplicate of a rack mount commercial orthomode switcher.
And taking all of the load of the lnb's off of the receiver reduced it's operating temperature from around 160F to a warm to the touch 110F. I don't know. You measure yours. It was from memory.

The why's and if's. Simple. Remember the original subject? Out of the box. With a stock .xml.
After several blindscans in a row. No more ability to cycle right. You have to cycle through every single satellite in the file. Those that you will never, ever, ever be able to receive.
What a PITA. Satellites.xml.org has a configurator you can use to download a range of satellites.
I use it sometimes for adding sat's that are not included in the stock .xml.
Or. Since the stock .xml is missing transponders that show in a blindscan. Why not add the found ones into the file?
A manual scan with transponders already known to perhaps be wild feeds, etc. Surely scan a lot faster than a blindscan.

Perhaps not a thing 'over there'. Blindscan is very important here. Having a receiver/tuner that can perform it is very important. Catching wild feeds is important.
The TNAP image has different tuner drivers available for the correct receiver. Some slow-as-molasses-on-a-brisk-autumm-morning. Go grab a cup of coffee. Make some tea.
But very thorough. Find a transponder? Add it to the .xml. Do it 100% correct. And maybe catch a game if new channels are found. Or miss it to half time with blindscanning for it again.
WOS and a simple question here. Could I get a screenshot of the tuner used in that whiz-bang pluggable tuner that you can choose for the receiver du-jour. From the pick your tuner list.
Do the tuners come in a box that says "A Tuner Fits this box"?
Nothing. Not a peep. Nothing with the Availink AVL62XX?
Buy it. Love it, or cry it. Sound familiar EB? How 'bout another Dreambox all the way from Spain?
I never been to Spain. But I kinda' like the music
I rest my case.

"For the blindscan plugin, there has always been a shortcut for the Edision 4k receivers. Press the pvr button to see the list of possible satellites to scan as shown below. Other receiver models usually have a shortcut key to open the satellites list. This shortcut works in other menus."
Interesting. Never knew that. You do know. Although it is my favorite image. Sometimes the button assignments aren't so out-of-the-box thought out. True.
What acid trip is in store when I flop down the cash for the SF8008 Pro?
Edit:
at 2:14 in the am. Manual scan. Ok button. Satellite list in a new window. Fine.
Blingscan already has a green icon that says clearly Scan, Press the green button. Why the pvr button and not the stinkin; OK button? Good weed at the programming console? Jenny was wearing a cute skirt?
Jeesh!

Briefly breezed thru the .py code. Will look again in the am. Are the lines to be added to to the original .py?
I need a refresher. Could you offer one on how it's done. If you could please?

So you all know. Yeah. Sometimes I restore the NIMS section of a new image. After adding a few satellites in tuner setup and comparing it for 100% correct formatting. 1/2 hour of thumb exercise saved. Happy RCU.
Repeating myself. No matter what. Factory stock image. Out of the box and going from ground-up.
Several blindscans in a row. Seeking an active transponder to steer my dish to and peak it for signal. To scan again to seek more active and possibly new transponders.
The right button freezes. And either rebooting the receiver to restore functionality. Or biting the bullet and scrolling through each and every single satellite from here to BFE and around the world again.
To hopefully not cycle right past the one I want to scan next. Well. I'm sure you "get it". "The bluddy bloke moight 'ave a bleedin' good oydea....yaaa".
It was mentioned that the satellites.xml file may reside in a different location in the linux file system. I have only found a single instance of that. /etc/tuxbox

 

[el bandido]

Check and make sure there is not a satellites.xml in /etc/enigma2. Some channel editors may put a satellites.xml file in /etc/enigma2, which will be transferred to another image when auto-restore is used. (This has already been briefly mentioned.) A satellites.xml file in /etc/enigma2 overrides the satellites.xml found in /etc/tuxbox.

The attached plugin.py installs in: /usr/lib/enigma2/python/Plugins/SystemPlugins/Blindscan/ (unzip plugin file first.)

You may make a log that will be found in /tmp of the receiver files. Use these two telnet commands to make the log:
init 4
enigma2 > /tmp/debug.log 2>&1

You need to post steps that can be replicated. Don't be vague or generalize. Explain Exactly and in detail what it takes to make your receiver misbehave. Currently no one else has these problems. So you need to make it easy for someone to reproduce the problem. Log files are needed!

 

[ArloGuthrie]

Oh. I'm just happy adding them myself. Who needs Digicipher, etc. transponders at all in an FTA receiver. Okay with an exception, you know.
I am already highlighting tons of those channels after a scan and deleting them.

 

[ArloGuthrie]

Check and make sure there is not a satellites.xml in /etc/enigma2. Some channel editors may put a satellites.xml file in /etc/enigma2, which will be transferred to another image when auto-restore is used. (This has already been briefly mentioned.) A satellites.xml file in /etc/enigma2 overrides the satellites.xml found in /etc/tuxbox.

Check. And double check. Nothing at all. I use E-Channelizer as my editor BTW.


The attached plugin.py installs in: /usr/lib/enigma2/python/Plugins/SystemPlugins/Blindscan/ (unzip plugin file first.)

Check. Will do this evening. Thanks!


You may make a log that will be found in /tmp of the receiver files. Use these two telnet commands to make the log:
init 4
enigma2 > /tmp/debug.log 2>&1

Gotcha' Thanks for that.

You need to post steps that can be replicated. Don't be vague or generalize. Explain Exactly and in detail what it takes to make your receiver misbehave. Currently no one else has these problems. So you need to make it easy for someone to reproduce the problem. Log files are needed!

Oh you know me. As detailed as can be. Right up to when it happens and beyond. Lol.
But. There are times when a crash is so hard. Where you don't get the an error has occurred screen. Just Mr. Spinny in the upper right of the screen. No log is written. Is there a secret to that?
I do apologize to y'all. I can be as determined as John Wick. Without the pyen-cill though. Much appreciation.

 

[ArloGuthrie]

Catching up. Found a few things. In Notepad++ showing all formatting characters showed a few spots in 'my' file.
There were spaces after carets. Never thought of revealing the formatting characters before.
So those have been corrected.
Also. Where you see double tabs at the beginning of lines in the lower stock .xml. Mine had a tab and spaces to justify the entries.
All of that is corrected now. In a few blingscan tests. So far, no right button lockup. Cycling seems okay.
My bad? Showing page formatting should have come to mind sooner.

Another thing. The factory image is on the bottom. On the top is the .xml after running it through E-Channelizer. I touched nothing.
"My thing" of adding found blingscan transponders to the stock file. Saving, closing and opening it back up.
The double tabs were still present. Once in the receiver and a read, sort, name channels, find and correctly name picons etc. and write back to it.
See it? The double tabs change to spaces.
But so far. Scrolling right-left seems to be fine now.

Someone has to agree. At least one person. Why blindscan a satellite to find new transponders, wildfeeds. To have the scan results vaporize when the receiver is powered down?
And the next time. Do it all over again.
What is so verboten with having those new and unlisted tp's handy for a quick manual scan. What is wrong with only finding new tp's in a blindscan?
finding them is 99% of the work. Sweep the bandwidth. Then log what is found in the sweep.
Instead of sending them into the ethers when the box is divorced from pixies. Save them.
Yeah, I know "If" you do it right, maybe.
Just a statement.