Your SNR & AGC on your VU+DUO, what do you get ?

[digi247]

Here is a screenshot from my Duo, I have watched this channel for over 15 mins with no break up.
Really this does prove what I am saying.
A properly configured emu is the key to viewing your card or other channels

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Donnie i have no idea where your located but if your in the UK and using a Mini dish for 28.2° east and only getting 39% snr you have a serious problem you should be gettting on the Duo's SNR level around the 80% mark

i would really consider getting that pole plum other wise your lnb is not set straight it will be picking more satelittes from one side and less from the other and i would defo get a INVERTO Black Ultra High lnb , i put one on mine this weekend and gained 10% extra on all sats. the best way i found to see if my dish is set right is to level out the signal between 28east and 30west, if you get them two right everything else should flow.

Wazza if you look closely at the Pics its an Orbital dish with an Inverto Black Ultra, Just a bit worrying about the pole Not being Plumb and also the Spacing of the T&K's are a little on the short side, Ideally they should be at least a meter apart and with the motor in between the T&K and not above it helps balance the wind load and minimise vibration. But each to there own.

 

[Huevos]

Braveheart, if you are getting more than 30% SNR on Sky channels that is plenty for the tuner as these are 2/3 FEC. What you need to know is if the problem only affects pay channels.

When you are having trouble with a channel press the up arrow, then green (satellites), then select current transponder and flick through all the channels on that trying to find one that is not encrypted. This will tell you if the glitching is to do with local interference or a problem with the way your softcam is set up to read your subscription card.

 

[BRAVEHEART]

Braveheart, if you are getting more than 30% SNR on Sky channels that is plenty for the tuner as these are 2/3 FEC. What you need to know is if the problem only affects pay channels.

When you are having trouble with a channel press the up arrow, then green (satellites), then select current transponder and flick through all the channels on that trying to find one that is not encrypted. This will tell you if the glitching is to do with local interference or a problem with the way your softcam is set up to read your subscription card.

Mate, I appreciate your input, but if you read the thread correctly I have said repeatedly that it is only pay channels and not FTA mate

This just started to happen a week ago and then someone in here suggested I update to the latest vix image which I have done few days ago and it didnt make any difference either, and also have the enigma2-plugin-cams-cccam.2.1.4_1.1-r2 installed, and latest sat xml file etc etc etc, pretty sure its all set up correctly, well put it this way, it was ok on the old image up until a week ago and then the problems started and since then I have updated everything and that hasnt helped either, so I'm still at a lose as to what the heck is causing this prob, its a strange one

p.s
I dont know how the heck you can say you can watch pay channels with an snr of 30% on a vuo duo, no chance mate, please show me/us the proof as I cant beleive that until I see it, soon as mines goes anywhere near 55% or less the picture will freeze up or the channel just wont appear, maybe you have some kind of magic fix for this, if so can you please tell me more as that would sort me right out mate, cheers

 

[BRAVEHEART]

Mate, I appreciate your input, but if you read the thread correctly I have said repeatedly that it is only pay channels and not FTA mate

This just started to happen a week ago and then someone in here suggested I update to the latest vix image which I have done few days ago and it didnt make any difference either, and also have the enigma2-plugin-cams-cccam.2.1.4_1.1-r2 installed, and latest sat xml file etc etc etc, pretty sure its all set up correctly, well put it this way, it was ok on the old image up until a week ago and then the problems started and since then I have updated everything and that hasnt helped either, so I'm still at a lose as to what the heck is causing this prob, its a strange one

p.s
I dont know how the heck you can say you can watch pay channels with an snr of 30% on a vuo duo, no chance mate, please show me/us the proof as I cant beleive that until I see it, soon as mines goes anywhere near 55% or less the picture will freeze up or the channel just wont appear, maybe you have some kind of magic fix for this, if so can you please tell me more as that would sort me right out mate, cheers

isnt there a simple snr booster or summit I can buy that will sort this (cost doesnt matter), getting super pizzed off with it now man even though snr signals are good tonight, gauranteed they will be rubbish again later on or tomorrow or whatever, Ive never heard of such a booster and therfore dont think there is such a thing, I am sure someone will put me wise to the answer though please ?

 

[Foxylady]

Wazza,
I still get same sats i did when it was plum.
Like i say fella i don't see the need or importance to shell out more money on it if it is doing the job, which it is very well. :thumbsup:

Brave,
Boosters do exist for the sat setup

 

[Huevos]

I dont know how the heck you can say you can watch pay channels with an snr of 30% on a vuo duo, no chance mate, please show me/us the proof as I cant beleive that until I see it, soon as mines goes anywhere near 55% or less the picture will freeze up or the channel just wont appear, maybe you have some kind of magic fix for this, if so can you please tell me more as that would sort me right out mate, cheers

It's up to you what you want to believe! FEC 2/3 is stable down to about 28%, but if you've got local noise on the constellation you will get pixelisation even when you have 99% SNR. The PSB channels are on a much higher power satellite so will of course be less prone to interference.

Anyway as I said above when the interference happens test other channels on the "current transponder" to see if they are acting in the same fashion.

And there is no such thing as an SNR booster. There are signal boosters but they boost noise too so SNR will remain the same. The only way to boost SNR is a bigger dish or less noisy components in the signal chain.

 

[BRAVEHEART]

It's up to you what you want to believe! FEC 2/3 is stable down to about 28%, but if you've got local noise on the constellation you will get pixelisation even when you have 99% SNR. The PSB channels are on a much higher power satellite so will of course be less prone to interference.

Anyway as I said above when the interference happens test other channels on the "current transponder" to see if they are acting in the same fashion.

And there is no such thing as an SNR booster. There are signal boosters but they boost noise too so SNR will remain the same. The only way to boost SNR is a bigger dish or less noisy components in the signal chain.

I would still love to see someone show us proof of a vu duo running pay channels with an snr of 30% without any picture freeze up etc if they can please ? This would be interesting.

 

[Huevos]

running pay channels with an snr of 30% without any picture freeze up

Whether or not a channel is a subscription service has no bearing on signal quality required to receive it.

 

[BRAVEHEART]

Whether or not a channel is a subscription service has no bearing on signal quality required to receive it.

I know that, but as we were talking about pay channels I stuck with that, but I would love to see any channel at 30% snr on vu duo.

 

[Rob van der Does]

I would still love to see someone show us proof of a vu duo running pay channels with an snr of 30% without any picture freeze up etc if they can please ? This would be interesting.

You'd better believe an experienced guy as Huevos and take his advise instead of asking for proof. And don't forget he mentioned the FEC 2/3 to be essential for low SNR-reception.

Better get your dish aligned properly! Did you notice how long this thread has become without you showing any result?

 

[BRAVEHEART]

You'd better believe an experienced guy as Huevos and take his advise instead of asking for proof. And don't forget he mentioned the FEC 2/3 to be essential for low SNR-reception.

Better get your dish aligned properly! Did you notice how long this thread has become without you showing any result?

yep, long time, only person thats posted anything is foxylady, I would still love to see a duo with any channel showing for a decent amount of time with snr of 30 or was it 28 he said.

I will post my findings back when I get my stuff fixed, not many people seem to like helping the inexperienced user in here I have found, but hey ho, thats the way it goes, thanks very much

p.s
you should have told me to get my dish religned sooner, I think I did say either in this thread or the other one that my dish was pro realigned just weeks ago, so if we cant trust these pro's then who can we trust ? I cant do it, If I was allowed to go near the dish then I could, but its not allowed as its a communal dish, but I used to play with dishes maybe 24 years ago or something like that, so I could do it, I am not as much of an idiot as you may think, typically inexperienced yes, but not stupid, as I think it was foxylady said, a 2 year kid could do this kind of thing with the proper equipment and legal authourity to touch dishes etc, both of which I dont have, no tools for the job and no permission to touch the communal dish.

If I had those things then I wouldnt even need to come in here and ask for any sort of help at all, and anyway, it seems like anytime a typical inexperienced user like me asks anything, no one is interested anyway, what is it ??? Do you need a degree in the art of satellite technology or something like that before someone will even have any interest in helping ?

I didnt see lots of people charging to my aid with help, you understand what I am saying ?

But as I said before, lol, hey ho, it looks as though thats the way it goes in here, I purchased my equipment from here, so I naturally thought it was the best place to ask things, maybe I was wrong, or maybe it could prove good in the end , I dont know.

 

[Rob van der Does]

not many people seem to like helping the inexperienced user in here I have found, but hey ho, that's the way it goes, thanks very much

I don't think you draw the right conclusion! First have a critical look at all your posts yourself

 

[wazza_2]

have you tried swaping the lnb onto the single dish to see if that is giving you the fault, you never no it maybe faulty

 

[Maxwell]

@Braveheart - I think it a bit off for you to suggest you have received no help here, if you read back through this thread you will find that virtually every possibility that could cause your problem has been pointed out to you but you choose not to listen to the advice or even attempt to do anything about it.
In fact you didnt even provide all the facts until halfway through and we are not mindreaders. As you readily admit you are inexperienced and unable to touch your external equipment its time you got the original installer in to check the dish and LNB and in particular the headend distribution equipment which is where I suspect your problem is.

 

[Foxylady]

I know that, but as we were talking about pay channels I stuck with that, but I would love to see any channel at 30% snr on vu duo.

I have already Brave in my video, it it is on Discovery HD showing 28%.
I could have easily left mine for long period but why would i do that if i can ahieve the higher signals plus i didn't want dish sitting there loose for days on end lol.
I was showing what i could have never done with other lnb's, thus i was happy with my purchase at the time and still am.
But if any of my dishes went down to 50'ish on standard lnb i would get break up in picture also.
I think the above was achieved merely due to the new lnb on the motorised.
Ask your installer/s if you have a zone 2 or 60cm dish as your up in scotland and maybe just maybe you have been given a minidish/zone1 which is pointless.
If you have a mini i would suggest replacing it for bigger.
The standard dish i have in pic is a 60cm as i did have a mini on there and since i fitted bigger one the signal shot up 20% plus as i have an house directly in the way.
And i am in middle of the country and would only need a mini, but getting bigger dish was defo an improvement.

 

[BRAVEHEART]

@ foxy, its defo not a mini dish, I think I already stated that in either this thread or the other one too, its a bigger dish, again I cant get up there to measure it but its certainly not a mini dish or anywhere near it.

@ maxwell, I just mean in general mate, the vibes I get in here is unless you are a high tech sat person then no one is interested, maybe I am wrong, but thats just the feeling I get sometimes, I dont mean you personally or anyone personally, thats just the feeling I get thats all.

and @ foxy again, I am glad you stated "But if any of my dishes went down to 50'ish on standard lnb i would get break up in picture also.", because to me 28 or 30 like rob van & Huevos quote seems to me from what I have experienced just unbelievable, thats the reason why I said I would love to see that to prove it.

@ rob van, I am sorry if you feel that I didnt speak very nicely, but I just feel sometimes that people who either do know better or think they know better think its very easy to tramp or talk down to others like me who are not so experienced as them, thats all, actually I shouldnt apologise for that as that is exactly my feelings, but me being me I always end up saying sorry to people even though I feel as if they are trying to talk down to me like a teacher talking down to a pupil at school.

Anyway, hope that sorts all those problems out, lol, it still hasnt sorted my problems out, but as I said I will or may post back my findings when I get things sorted or attempt to.

Please try and remember when talking to people, and I dont just mean me, that lots of people are just starting out and dont have a clue, so treating people either like they are stupid or things like that isnt always very nice, I am just glad that I do infact know a little bit about it, god help the people that havent even had a sat dish, lol, there again maybe for some strange reason they would get offered more help than me, or maybe thats just my paranoid mind over reacting

 

[BRAVEHEART]

I will give up now and wont come back until I have the thing fixed of my own accord, thanks

 

[Donnie]

Donnie i have no idea where your located but if your in the UK and using a Mini dish for 28.2° east and only getting 39% snr you have a serious problem you should be gettting on the Duo's SNR level around the 80% mark

It's only a problem if it affects my viewing which it does not.

The OP is obsessed as everyone else is that the breakup is due to signal but at no point has he looked at my suggestion that it is due to his emu configuration.

Breakup, freezing and pixelation can all be caused by the emu.

 

[Sicilian]

I feel this thread has run its course and as I've stated in this thread previously, your issue is ONLY with PAY channels so go check whatever your connected to. If it where a signal issue NOT all pay channels would be affected and some of your FTA channels would also be affected. So I suggest you get your own subscription card.

 

[BRAVEHEART]

Snr has dropped like a stone tonight again, and I think what is happening is that the signals on my main FTA channels are mostly so strong and amazing snr too that although they are possibly dropping a bit too as well as the pay channels I'm just not noticing it as much with the FTA channels, I dare say if I was to take lots of notes of levels etc then no doubt the FTA's would have dropped a bit too even though they still remain strong, think someone said earlier or in another thread that the pay channels are always weaker than FTA most of the time anyway, so maybe thats whats happening and I aint noticing it just so much.

Anyhow, I am just going to call out the dish installers to get them to work on it, will probably be at least a few days or maybe a week before they come out though, so we shall see.