bye bye VIX

[fintannl]

silverfox, i'm a volvo user. they have already identified me as being not worth the effort. trying to get from 20mph to 30 mph in a volvo would take a full village road to make the point at which stage you are still struggling to keep up with the tractor in front of you

 

[stauffie]

hopefully ALL teams will stop having emulators and softcams installed as default, meaning people will have to learn to do things for themselfs, and if they find it too hard, wont bother. this will hopefully have a knock on effect on payservers, meaning they slowly vanish and the CS 'hobby' can get back to being a hobby again

I totaly agree its getting out off controll this way

 

[t.ph]

So is the support on here for a certain box that comes with a "gift" going to be dropped?

I had to laugh when a certain forum that would ban you for even mentioning the word "cs", decided to import & sell the boxes with a gift & then had a massive turnaround on there views.

 

[fintannl]

agree and disagree. it comes back to microsoft including windows explorer within windows. ok, i do understand the basis of this argument. so vix is very much a basic operating system sitting on enigma2. so if you want to play this argument then vix is not allowed to support any one media player over another, allowed to deliver scart over dvi over hdmi, not allowed to support one media saving/playing format over another. There are so many other arguments its pointless to continue. Cams are one aspect of the game. I would like to understand where the definition is complete. By restricting one aspect of this site you immediately put all other applications under question!!!!! It is not that hard to deal with this restriction but please consider where this may lead. Is it true that all linux applications should be not allowed (based on some degree of favouritism in selection within platform). So not only cams should be removed, skins should be removed, bouquets should be removed, picons should be removed and the list goes on.

 

[Larry-G]

agree and disagree. it comes back to microsoft including windows explorer within windows. ok, i do understand the basis of this argument. so vix is very much a basic operating system sitting on enigma2. so if you want to play this argument then vix is not allowed to support any one media player over another, allowed to deliver scart over dvi over hdmi, not allowed to support one media saving/playing format over another. There are so many other arguments its pointless to continue. Cams are one aspect of the game. I would like to understand where the definition is complete. By restricting one aspect of this site you immediately put all other applications under question!!!!! It is not that hard to deal with this restriction but please consider where this may lead. Is it true that all linux applications should be not allowed (based on some degree of favouritism in selection within platform). So not only cams should be removed, skins should be removed, bouquets should be removed, picons should be removed and the list goes on.

i absolutely 100 percent disagree with every thing you just said. softcams and their use is a massive legal black hole, bouquets , skins and other plugins are all open source to be used and edited as seen fit. i really dont see how you ca even think to compare them.

 

[charliesen]

I've only been into the sat scene for about 6 months and its not rocket science to install a cam.
Like digi said pay servers will be the death of this hobby.
I share my sub with a box in the living room and my 77 year old sister who is fighting cancer and tv is all she has got to keep her interested
To say you are going to switch images because you haven't got a cam pre-installed is frankly rediculous

 

[leecovuk]

hopefully ALL teams will stop having emulators and softcams installed as default, meaning people will have to learn to do things for themselfs, and if they find it too hard, wont bother. this will hopefully have a knock on effect on payservers, meaning they slowly vanish and the CS 'hobby' can get back to being a hobby again

I'm not trying to judge, but your comment is just about favouring one kind of illegal activity over another more public one.
One is not better than the other.

 

[leecovuk]

This decision is however just dancing around the edges of the law isn't it. ie apparently it's ok to point users to where they can find softcams as long as they are not hosted here.
It's a bit like torrent sites claiming to be search engines and not liable because they don't actually host the shared files.
These legal loopholes bemuse me as to why they are not closed.

 

[digidude]

I'm not trying to judge, but your comment is just about favouring one kind of illegal activity over another more public one.
One is not better than the other.

no m8, its not

card sharing 'used' to be just that, sharing a card

if i had a sly uk card, but i wanted to watch 3pm footy, i would find someone 'that i could trust' and we would 'trade' lines for single access to each others card

providors know this has been going on for years, but did nothing as

it was being used in territory that they have no rights to broadcast in anyway
nobody was actually making money from it
it was very small scale

i posted the maths on card sharing in another forum a while back, if i find the post ill copy it here, but 3 CS pay servers could easily cost a company like sly £1/4 million a month, and this is why providors now activley work against card sharing

theres a HUGE difference between one person paying for a sub and sharing it with one person, and no money involved, and one person paying for 2 subs, and charging 500 people £25 a month each to access them

 

[t.ph]

one person paying for 2 subs, and charging 500 people £25 a month each to access them

You might have done your sums but getting 500 shares from 2 cards is ridiculous

 

[Larry-G]

You might have done your sums but getting 500 shares from 2 cards is ridiculous

not with the rite hardware it's not. and there lies the problem, CS as DIGI stated has now moved away from hobbyists sharing a card between friends, it's now considered as a business and there are some server providers spending massive amounts of money on hardware.

 

[t.ph]

Never seen anything like those figures posted anywhere. max reported on 1 x Sly card is usually 30-40. Please prove me wrong

 

[bassethound]

Im closing this thread now as its run its course and is straying to far of topic!!!!!