[VU+ Duo2] Auto-Timer v Timer

[marcjens]

This may be a daft question: What exactly is the difference between the timer and the auto-timer (Green and Blue button)?
It seems that both afford repeat recordings?

Relatedly, is there a way to get recordings organised, i.e. when you record a series that there is ONE entry, and you then get the sub-entries, rather than have all episodes at the root level?

Many thanks

 

[Andy_Hazza]

Auto Timer is similar to a Series Link function. A Timer is just a one off recording.


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[birdman]

Relatedly, is there a way to get recordings organised, i.e. when you record a series that there is ONE entry, and you then get the sub-entries, rather than have all episodes at the root level?

Create sub-directories (Locations) and create auto-timers to put the recordings into the one you want.

 

[birdman]

A Timer is just a one off recording.

Or repeat at the same time every day/week/etc, but that can't handle things where episodes occur at different times

 

[EGGMANCAN]

This may be a daft question: What exactly is the difference between the timer and the auto-timer (Green and Blue button)?
It seems that both afford repeat recordings?

Relatedly, is there a way to get recordings organised, i.e. when you record a series that there is ONE entry, and you then get the sub-entries, rather than have all episodes at the root level?

Many thanks

there is the movie organiser plugin.

can we rename "timer" and "auto timer" to "record" and "record series"?

 

[ccs]

can we rename "timer" and "auto timer" to "record" and "record series"?

Timers (and autotimers) are not only used for recording.

 

[adm]

can we rename "timer" and "auto timer" to "record" and "record series"?

Although an autotimer can be used to to set timers to record a series that is not its only function so your suggested names could also cause some confusion. Also you have the ability to instantly record what you are watching so the "record" name is already taken.

An autotimer can be used to set a future timer for program with the same or similar name on one or more channels and is not limited to a single series.

 

[EGGMANCAN]

Although an autotimer can be used to to set timers to record a series that is not its only function so your suggested names could also cause some confusion. Also you have the ability to instantly record what you are watching so the "record" name is already taken.

An autotimer can be used to set a future timer for program with the same or similar name on one or more channels and is not limited to a single series.

How can we make this more clear / simple for users coming from standard Sly / Virmin receivers? How would they know what this means? Would an (i) pop-up work?

Listen, somebody in my family does not know what AutoTimer or Timer means. Can we separate Timer and Record? Can we rename "Timer" to "Reminder"?

When you press the Record button on your remote it shows: "Add Timer" and "Add AutoTimer". Both of these options need to be renamed to "Record" and "Record Series". You do not press the Record button on your remote to add a reminder or auto channel switch.

Currently in the EPG we have the Green button labelled as "Add Timer" and we have the Blue button as "Add". Let's make the Green button "Record" with an additional pop-up saying "Record" and "Record Series". Then let's rename the Blue button to "Add Timer" and include all of the timer options within that one single button please.

 

[ccs]

...time you taught then what it means then.

 

[EGGMANCAN]

...time you taught then what it means then.

When you have a Virmin or Sly box do you have a technician teaching you what all the controls are? no. all of the options are labelled in a self-descriptive way.

Also why do we have two buttons "Green" and "Blue" for just one function "Timer"? This is confusing not only for the people in my family but for me too! The options for adding a timer should be accessible using just one button and the same for recording. These two options need to be separated.

 

[ccs]

When you have a Virmin or Sly box do you have a technician teaching you what all the controls are? no. all of the options are labelled in a self-descriptive way.

I'd stick to just using those boxes if you're finding enigma2 too complicated.

 

[Willo3092]

When you press the Record button on your remote it shows: "Add Timer" and "Add AutoTimer". Both of these options need to be renamed to "Record" and "Record Series".

If you want these features then learn how to edit the relevant python files yourself.
All the images that I know of use Timer and Autotimer because it is a more accurate description of what they actually do.
For example, long pressing the 'record' button will set a zap timer to change channels at the specified time. It doesn't record it.

 

[adm]

When you have a Virmin or Sly box do you have a technician teaching you what all the controls are? no. all of the options are labelled in a self-descriptive way.

My mother has recently "upgraded" to a Virgin Tivo box. In my option a poorly thought out user interface with many common needed functions hidden down six levels of menu or selected on a remote button only readable by someone with 20:20 vision.

I suggest that an Enigma 2/OpenVix box is no more difficult to learn than a Sky or Virgin box but you may have just got used to the boxes you previously owned and believe that this is thae way all boxes should work.

I too came from a different type of box (a Topfield box running Mystuff) and changing to a Enigma2/Openvix did take some change of mind set albeit I did understand from my previous box that the Autotimer function is a lot more than series link and it could confuse many by labelling it so.

You seem to be selecting Autotimer by pressing the record button which gives you the quick setting from the default values you may have set (or if you haven't configured them youself the defaults someone else has selected). Ths quick set-up doesn't necessarily show all the options and filters that can be set. If you use the alternative way of setting an Autotimer by pressing Blue within the EPG you will see two screens of configuration which may show you that autotimers can set more than series linking.

Also why do we have two buttons "Green" and "Blue" for just one function "Timer"? This is confusing not only for the people in my family but for me too! The options for adding a timer should be accessible using just one button and the same for recording. These two options need to be separated.

The recording button allows you to set two different things. The Green and Blue buttons allow you to set two different things.

 

[EGGMANCAN]

If you want these features then learn how to edit the relevant python files yourself.
All the images that I know of use Timer and Autotimer because it is a more accurate description of what they actually do.
For example, long pressing the 'record' button will set a zap timer to change channels at the specified time. It doesn't record it.

Why on earth would you use the record button with a red record symbol to set a zap timer??

 

[EGGMANCAN]

do all of you believe that the box is the best it can be and that it can no longer be improved? do you really think this is the simplest setup possible for the recording/auto timer functions? this isn't even my thread! clearly there is an issue with this and none of you want to make it any better?

I believe the setup should be more similar to this:
Blue = "Record"
Green = "Timer"

Press Blue 1x = "Record Event (i)", "Record Series (i)".
Press Green 1x = "Add Timer (i)", "Add AutoTimer (i)"

Hover over "Record event (i)" and press i (info) on your remote = pup-up information box "Record this single event and add it to your recordings..."
Hover over "Record Series (i)" and press i (info) on your remote = pup-up information box "Record every event with the same name at the same time on a weekly basis and add them to your recordings..."

Hover over "Add Timer (i)" and press i (info) on your remote = pup-up information box "Add a notification at the start time of the event to remind you that your program is about to start..."

also I like your idea of editing the python files myself, I just wanted to help the rest of the community out too so that we can make this software better together for everyone.

 

[Willo3092]

As far as I can gather, the rest of the community are quite happy with things the way they are.
It's not just ViX, every E2 image uses timers and autotimers as far as I know.
You will find builds where people have changed the names to record and record series so it would be easier to use someones build if you like.

 

[EGGMANCAN]

To clear this up for everyone:
The Green button "Add Timer", by default, records a single event one time.
The Blue button "Add", by default, records that event at the same time every week.
So the Green button can be thought of as "Record".
and the Blue button can be thought of as "Record Weekly".
however both options are fully customisable and can be used for zapping and recordings at any time on any channel etc.

Now let me ask you this question. Would it be clearer and appear more simple to have the additional options hidden behind drop-down menus? By default the options would appear something like this:
Green button "Single Recording - Event name, Time and date, more options drop-down"
Blue button "Record Weekly - Event name, Day of the week/time, more options drop-down"

This would leave the whole current system intact while making it appear much simpler for everyday users giving them the option to dive into the additional options if they so wish.

 

[ccs]

99.9% of my epg timers are green+green, 99% of my autotimers are blue+green+green, I find that simple and clear enough.

I can change the autotimer defaults to suit my needs.

You appear to be fighting a losing cause, you'd be better building your own system if it so important for you, rather than changing a well established interface already used by 10's of thousands of users.

 

[EGGMANCAN]

99.9% of my epg timers are green+green, 99% of my autotimers are blue+green+green, I find that simple and clear enough.

I can change the autotimer defaults to suit my needs.

You appear to be fighting a losing cause, you'd be better building your own system if it so important for you, rather than changing a well established interface already used by 10's of thousands of users.

so 99% of the time you don't need to see any of the additional options?

 

[ccs]

so 99% of the time you don't need to see any of the additional options?

But they're there as a reminder if I do need them.
Why hide them away?