[VU+ Duo2] Auto-Timer v Timer

[EGGMANCAN]

But they're there as a reminder if I do need them.
Why hide them away?

why scare regular users away by making it appear more complicated than it needs to be?

 

[adm]

so 99% of the time you don't need to see any of the additional options?

I see all the options 99% of the time and chnge them to suit what i want recorded in the future. This is the way I choose to use my box however I record very little that is actaully broadcast at the same time, same channel every week.

 

[ccs]

why scare regular users away by making it appear more complicated than it needs to be?

You're too easily scared - just get on and use it.

 

[adm]

why scare regular users away by making it appear more complicated than it needs to be?

But your proposed terminology doesn't actually describe what Autotimers are fully capable of doing. Your suggestion for a naming convention may persuade users coming from boxes with a basic automatic search facility that OpenVix is also limited in it's functionality in the same way.
I suspect that there may be 10.000s of regular users of the OpenVix image that are not scared by the use of the term Autotimer.

I came from a box where the automatic search and timer setting facility was more comprehesive in its operation than that provided by Autotimers and I personally have no problems with the terminolgy that the writers of OpenVix have chosen for Autotimers.

I assume that you are aware that an autotimer can be edited for a one time programme that hasn't yet been broadcast for the first time and will be in an unknown timeslot some time in the future . How does this fall in with your renaming convention - its NOT a series record, nor is it weekly?

 

[abu baniaz]

What about pressing the record button?

 

[EGGMANCAN]

You're too easily scared - just get on and use it.

you're missing the point. how can you expect somebody that lives in the same house as you to know how to use the television when you are not around to be "Mr IT support"?

what if they want to record an event? is it fair to force them to learn some 'insider' technical lingo just to set a simple recording which they can do no problems on the standard boxes? why make a box just for one person when it can be designed to suit other peoples needs too? or do you prefer coding in binary? if so let's just scrap python i mean you can learn how a computer interprets binary code right?

 

[EGGMANCAN]

But your proposed terminology doesn't actually describe what Autotimers are fully capable of doing. Your suggestion for a naming convention may persuade users coming from boxes with a basic automatic search facility that OpenVix is also limited in it's functionality in the same way.
I suspect that there may be 10.000s of regular users of the OpenVix image that are not scared by the use of the term Autotimer.

I came from a box where the automatic search and timer setting facility was more comprehesive in its operation than that provided by Autotimers and I personally have no problems with the terminolgy that the writers of OpenVix have chosen for Autotimers.

I assume that you are aware that an autotimer can be edited for a one time programme that hasn't yet been broadcast for the first time and will be in an unknown timeslot some time in the future . How does this fall in with your renaming convention - its NOT a series record, nor is it weekly?

Ok why not make the Record button on the remote show "Single Recording" and "Weekly Recording"? Tell me what user technical or not presses a record button to set a zap timer?

and that answers your second question. If the Timer functions are separated from the Recording functions then the naming convention works no problems.

"Your suggestion for a naming convention may persuade users coming from boxes with a basic automatic search facility that OpenVix is also limited in it's functionality in the same way." wouldn't the "more options..." tell you that there are.. more options?

"But your proposed terminology doesn't actually describe what Autotimers are fully capable of doing." the word AutoTimer does not mention Record in any way. A timer actually does nothing in-itself. A timer is just that, a countdown. It's the additional functionality that gets executed when the timer has ended that is what it should be named as. For example at the end of the timer it can show a notification. A Notification timer.

 

[ccs]

you're missing the point. how can you expect somebody that lives in the same house as you to know how to use the television when you are not around to be "Mr IT support"?

Maybe you've made the wrong choice?

I can't think of anyone who has made such a fuss about anything and everything- even my mum managed well into here 90's without the issues you seem to have.

 

[Willo3092]

Tell me what user technical or not presses a record button to set a zap timer?

Mrs Willo for a start! She's a proper technophobe but she soon learned how to get the TV to turn onto Coronation Street automatically, usually when I'm watching something else.
If I were you I would just accept that timers do much more than just recording and accept that ViX aren't going to change the names and neither will ATV, Pli or any other E2 image.

 

[EGGMANCAN]

What about pressing the record button?

pressing the "Record" button shows "Add Timer" and "Add AutoTimer".. no mention of record...

 

[EGGMANCAN]

Mrs Willo for a start! She's a proper technophobe but she soon learned how to get the TV to turn onto Coronation Street automatically, usually when I'm watching something else.

haha bravo

 

[EGGMANCAN]

Maybe you've made the wrong choice?

I can't think of anyone who has made such a fuss about anything and everything- even my mum managed well into here 90's without the issues you seem to have.

but did your mum at the age of 90 use an Enigma box?

 

[birdman]

Ok why not make the Record button on the remote show "Single Recording" and "Weekly Recording"? Tell me what user technical or not presses a record button to set a zap timer?

Me, sort of...

...as I don't press a Record button to make a recording. For that I'd go to the EPG, navigate to the programme I wish to record (making sure I get the correct one), press Add Timer then select where I want it to be filed.

 

[birdman]

what if they want to record an event? is it fair to force them to learn some 'insider' tech nical lingo just to set a simple recording which they can do no problems on the standard boxes?

How did they learn to do it there?

 

[adm]

pressing the "Record" button shows "Add Timer" and "Add AutoTimer".. no mention of record...

Turn on timeshifting
menu -> setup -> recordings, playback and timeshift -> timeshift -> automatically start timeshift after = 10 seconds

Start watching a programme of your choice

Whle still watching press the record button on the remote and see what you get.

 

[EGGMANCAN]

How did they learn to do it there?

they learned what the word record meant in school like: make a record of the days that it rains. Then they started using CD's and tapes and learned that you could record data to a CD or a tape so they probably first saw the recording button there. Next maybe they saw a video camera and discovered that you could record video and audio too with the same button and all of this translates onto a television with recording video. Nowhere along the way was the record button used for timing or zapping.

 

[Willo3092]

Nowhere along the way was the record button used for timing or zapping.

That's evolution for you :thumbsup:

 

[birdman]

Nowhere along the way was the record button used for timing or zapping.

How did you zap on a tape recorder?

 

[EGGMANCAN]

That's evolution for you :thumbsup:

but there is enough space for a timer button and a record button. or... we can use just 1 button called "Timers". then you choose what function you want to be used with the timer. notification, zap and record.

my only issue is with there being 2 buttons for the same purpose. why create the same thing twice?

 

[nekrub2]

Dear all

For me the auto-timer is the real timer. I use it now for switching on the TV when a program starts or zap from radio to the TV station. So it's more that "record". I would like to know when somebody needs the normal timer. What can be done in Timer you cannot in Autotimer?
My suggestion: Kick out the normal timer.
nekrub2