No Satellite signal on New TV

[cactikid]

You dont push it on as it has threads on the inside which should screw on , yes we will have to wait then.

 

[Joe_90]

Unfortunately I won't have any photos until the next time I am up there.

I think it is almost certainly the cabling but probably more than just the connector. I had a spare F connector and followed a guide to fit it. Unfortunately the wire was too thick to simply push it on but I could have used tape to keep it in place. I didn't bother as pushing the cable to keep it in place with my hand still gave no signal.

I gave up in the end and am getting a sat installer out on Monday to fix.
The terrestrial signal is marginal too (can fail based on the weather) so I'll get them to fix that too.

I will report back on the final cause.

I did offer to help...

As @cactikid says, you screw the F-plug onto the cable. The braid is folded back onto the outer cable sheath and the plug screws over this. If the plug won't screw on, then you are using the wrong cable (or possibly a slightly smaller than usual F-plug). Normal satellite cable (RG-6) or better still WF-100 will be just under 7mm in diameter and the F-plug threads will compress the braid onto it.

 

[adm]

You dont push it on as it has threads on the inside which should screw on , yes we will have to wait then.

The original may have been a crimped or compression fit F plug, both requiring the correct tool for fitting and both unusable again once removed from the cable. The cable may have been 6/7mm in diameter [CT100, WF100, RG6] but the replacement F plug that dubrov had could have been for the thinner diameter WF65 cable now popular with dish installers.

 

[Joe_90]

Spare us all from crap cable! The race to the bottom of the junk pile.

I had a collection of regular screw in F-plugs, accumulated over the years. One was smaller diameter than the rest and would fit RG58 cable, but not regular CT100 or RG6. It may have been left around when Sky installed my first HD box back in 2006 or so. The installer was using shotgun cable at the time. I think that might be like the newer WF65 . I've only ever used CT100 or copper RG6 subsequently.

 

[cactikid]

Have loads around here also and i assume different colours on compression fitting are for different cables.

F connectors look all the same until you try them.

 

[ronand]

RG58 cable

There must be a ham in the house?

 

[dubrov]

Yes, it probably wasn't the right F plug for the cable. It wasn't big enough to fit over the outer sheath and even attempt to screw on.
The cable is probably about 40 years old so I may see if the SAT installer can replace it and maybe add a second for redundancy to avoid future problems.

 

[adm]

Yes, it probably wasn't the right F plug for the cable. It wasn't big enough to fit over the outer sheath and even attempt to screw on.
The cable is probably about 40 years old so I may see if the SAT installer can replace it and maybe add a second for redundancy to avoid future problems.

If its 40 years old it's probably not even a 100% screened cable and it has possibly degraded a lot. It may also explain why the original F plug fell off. Ideally digital from either an aerial or satellite dish requires a better quality cable with 100% screening. A lack of proper screening in a down-lead can result in localised electrical interference getting into the cable and causing picture breakup.

The cable you have is very likely to be the type "D" mentioned in the following article. Note the article is probably 20+ years old and so prices are well out of date.

https://www.wrightsaerials.co.uk/articles/coax-cable-quality.shtml

A satellite installer is more likely to install a twin WF65 cable these days

https://www.webro.com/tv-satellite/wf65-twin/

probably the WF65 twin (al screen) rather than the more expensive Cu (copper) screen variant. While this does work for the majority of satellite installations if you have a marginal signal from your aerial it will be unsuitable for the aerial down-lead as it has too much attenuation and much more than the thicker CT100, WF100, RG6 type cable.

 

[cactikid]

40 year old thinking coaxial , always handy having twin sat cables in a roon to allow view and record.

Dare i ask what lnb and dish look like also.

Do you have another tv in the house that you might need sat feeds for then upgrade lnb to maybe a quad?

 

[Joe_90]

There must be a ham in the house?

Long time SWL and scanner fan Nowadays, feeder of ADSB data to t'internet.

 

[Huevos]

Long time SWL and scanner fan Nowadays, feeder of ADSB data to t'internet.

LOL. I've got a G3... not used in nearly 40 years.

 

[Joe_90]

Yep, I've got shelves with gear I haven't used in years! It's too easy to occasionally dip into web-based SDR tuners, now that my local listening environment (in the middle of a housing estate) has become an RF noise-fest.

 

[ronand]

Its all changed since Heuvos was a boy - bloody zello operators wouldn't know how to use a callsign never mind tell a dit from a dah.

 

[adm]

Its all changed since Heuvos was a boy - bloody zello operators wouldn't know how to use a callsign never mind tell a dit from a dah.

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https://morsecode.world/international/translator.html

 

[ronand]

- .... . ... . / -.. .- -.-- ... / .- .-.. .-.. / -.-- --- ..- / -. . . -.. / .. ... / .- / - . -..- - / -- . ... ... .- --. . / .- -. -.. / .- / - . -..- - / - --- / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . / - .-. .- -. ... .-.. .- - --- .-.

https://morsecode.world/international/translator.html

That's actually cruel trying to read that. Even my kids look at me saying who needs radios, we've got internet now but little do they know

 

[Joe_90]

Come the apocalypse, the rest of the world will be glad for hams:smiley_yup:

 

[cactikid]

Bacon 50% off Joe 90

 

[dubrov]

If its 40 years old it's probably not even a 100% screened cable and it has possibly degraded a lot. It may also explain why the original F plug fell off. Ideally digital from either an aerial or satellite dish requires a better quality cable with 100% screening. A lack of proper screening in a down-lead can result in localised electrical interference getting into the cable and causing picture breakup.

The cable you have is very likely to be the type "D" mentioned in the following article. Note the article is probably 20+ years old and so prices are well out of date.

https://www.wrightsaerials.co.uk/articles/coax-cable-quality.shtml

A satellite installer is more likely to install a twin WF65 cable these days

https://www.webro.com/tv-satellite/wf65-twin/

probably the WF65 twin (al screen) rather than the more expensive Cu (copper) screen variant. While this does work for the majority of satellite installations if you have a marginal signal from your aerial it will be unsuitable for the aerial down-lead as it has too much attenuation and much more than the thicker CT100, WF100, RG6 type cable.

Yes I think it's the fourth one. It is definitely a brown cable anyway and probably long past its replacement date.

I'll see if they can replace with better cable.

 

[dubrov]

Unfortunately, my Dad insisted that the dish be installed on the chimney to keep it more out of sight. From the ground I can see the dish but not the LNB.
I'd guess it is already a Quad as there are two feeds to one room and one dubious feed to another room.
Ideally I would have two in each, more for redundancy than recording.

 

[Huevos]

LOL, do people there really install dishes on chimneys?