[VU+ Uno4KSE] Crashing VU+Duo4KSE

[bellejt]

webif is simply ipaddress box in browser

 

[aardvark5]

If you go back 3 or 4 years on here I was having a really bad time with my VU+ Uno4KSE.
I was on OpenVIX and asking for a lot of help because it kept crashing and I'd lose everything on the HDD.
I even bought a new HDD to replace it but that was failing and I was trying different versions of OpenVIX when new ones came out but all failed.
I was going through the process of sending it back when a nice chap from WOS asked me if I'd tried an alternative Image which I hadn't.
I put one on and all my problems were solved, my Uno4K just didn't like OpenVIX for some reason.
I also use Fire Sticks around the house with the E2 plugin and they work brilliantly.
One of my sayings is "If it ain't broken don't fix it" which means I still have that first alternative image version on my machine because it works and every now and then I make a backup which goes onto my PC HDD.

I know it takes time but my advice is try another image and as soon as it all works make a backup image and stick with it.

 

[bellejt]

Have a duo 4K SE 2TB HDD intern ,4 tuners and USB cable tuner here and performing excellent even on iptv (mixed channellist)

 

[JerryK132]

so lets initially try this ......
would be easier if you use something like putty & filezilla to stop the box and copy whilst installing the attached file.
1, use putty to establish session and type init 4 (space between)
2. in /usr/lib/enigma2/python/Components rename Timeshift.pyc to xTimeshift.pyc
3. copy file (Timeshift.py) to /usr/lib/enigma2/python/Components
4. in putty enter init 3 (space between)

hopefully will not crash but would like to see debug log if you have debug entries with "[Timeshift][Timeshift] filelist:" at start of entry .. you might also see this message ....... [Timeshift] Merging records failed!"

Ok Thanks. First I enabled Debug logs and restarted gui.
All done as requested. The box stopped showing TV when I logged in and typed init 4 and restarted when I typed init 3.
two debug files produced - I think one was when debug logs enabled/restart occurred. Other probably after init 4.

I then did a Timeshift record on a programme near to end (ie short!). It did not crash but displayed the message you expected [Timeshift] Merging records failed.
The second debug log also was updated and doubled roughly in size.

The offending "deleted" file strings appear in the trace dump list!
"20240129 1849 - CNEWS - Face à l'info.eit", "20240129 1849 - CNEWS - Face à l'info.ts.sc", "20240129 1854 - CNEWS - Face à l'info.ts", "20240129 1854 - CNEWS - Face à l'info.ts.ap", "20240129 1854 - CNEWS - Face à l'info.ts.meta",

But I can't find the filename on my box - especially in movie or .trash! Looking forward to your conclusions

Couple of other suspicions:
Even with timeshift disabled, the timeshift and livebuffer files in the timeshift folder seem to be updated, at least some of the time.

When I use timeshift (record to end of prog), I always end up with a file of the prog ending at the epg end time and a second file with 4mins of the prog. My margin after recording is set to 5mins. When I record without timeshift, I end up with just one file which presumably includes set margins? This difference is a bit counter-intuitive for me. May be red herring but just thought I'd say.


That's it

 

[JerryK132]

webif is simply ipaddress box in browser

Yes. And in my case works fine too

 

[JerryK132]

If you go back 3 or 4 years on here I was having a really bad time with my VU+ Uno4KSE.
I was on OpenVIX and asking for a lot of help because it kept crashing and I'd lose everything on the HDD.
I even bought a new HDD to replace it but that was failing and I was trying different versions of OpenVIX when new ones came out but all failed.
I was going through the process of sending it back when a nice chap from WOS asked me if I'd tried an alternative Image which I hadn't.
I put one on and all my problems were solved, my Uno4K just didn't like OpenVIX for some reason.
I also use Fire Sticks around the house with the E2 plugin and they work brilliantly.
One of my sayings is "If it ain't broken don't fix it" which means I still have that first alternative image version on my machine because it works and every now and then I make a backup which goes onto my PC HDD.

I know it takes time but my advice is try another image and as soon as it all works make a backup image and stick with it.

Sounds a bit similar to my experience. But are you saying that you never upgrade vix any more?
Can I take it you are using KODI with the Firesticks?
Incidentally I think I have established beyond reasonable doubt that the KODI files in the .kodi folder on my E2 are now redundant as Android KODI (Omega 21.2) appears to use the OpenWebIF to connect (unless the files are needed for a non-Android remote platform!).

 

[twol]

Ok Thanks. First I enabled Debug logs and restarted gui.
All done as requested. The box stopped showing TV when I logged in and typed init 4 and restarted when I typed init 3.
two debug files produced - I think one was when debug logs enabled/restart occurred. Other probably after init 4.

I then did a Timeshift record on a programme near to end (ie short!). It did not crash but displayed the message you expected [Timeshift] Merging records failed.
The second debug log also was updated and doubled roughly in size.

The offending "deleted" file strings appear in the trace dump list!
"20240129 1849 - CNEWS - Face à l'info.eit", "20240129 1849 - CNEWS - Face à l'info.ts.sc", "20240129 1854 - CNEWS - Face à l'info.ts", "20240129 1854 - CNEWS - Face à l'info.ts.ap", "20240129 1854 - CNEWS - Face à l'info.ts.meta",

But I can't find the filename on my box - especially in movie or .trash! Looking forward to your conclusions

Couple of other suspicions:
Even with timeshift disabled, the timeshift and livebuffer files in the timeshift folder seem to be updated, at least some of the time.

When I use timeshift (record to end of prog), I always end up with a file of the prog ending at the epg end time and a second file with 4mins of the prog. My margin after recording is set to 5mins. When I record without timeshift, I end up with just one file which presumably includes set margins? This difference is a bit counter-intuitive for me. May be red herring but just thought I'd say.


That's it

so not sure if this will work ... if not delete and rename xTimeshift.pyc back

so copy attachment as before to /usr/lib/enigma2/python/Components and provide log

 

[JerryK132]

so not sure if this will work ... if not delete and rename xTimeshift.pyc back

so copy attachment as before to /usr/lib/enigma2/python/Components and provide log

Thanks. All done.
2 debug logs - first after update, second after very brief timeshift record. Still two recordings, 0 mins (!) and 4 mins.
Btw, both recordings have same name, but second one is actually part of the following prog.
NO error msg on screen this time. Actually, I switched to PVR to view files and when I closed PVR, the err msg DID appear - I don't think it was delayed in that way last time...

Over to you...

 

[twol]

Thanks. All done.
2 debug logs - first after update, second after very brief timeshift record. Still two recordings, 0 mins (!) and 4 mins.
Btw, both recordings have same name, but second one is actually part of the following prog.
NO error msg on screen this time. Actually, I switched to PVR to view files and when I closed PVR, the err msg DID appear - I don't think it was delayed in that way last time...

Over to you...

Thanks…need to think about it a little more!

 

[JerryK132]

Thanks…need to think about it a little more!

Ok, thanks Twol. I'll switch back to the original Timeshift.pyc a bit later today...

 

[twol]

Ok, thanks Twol. I'll switch back to the original Timeshift.pyc a bit later today...

i would leave it….as it doesn,t crash

 

[aardvark5]

Sounds a bit similar to my experience. But are you saying that you never upgrade vix any more?
Can I take it you are using KODI with the Firesticks?
Incidentally I think I have established beyond reasonable doubt that the KODI files in the .kodi folder on my E2 are now redundant as Android KODI (Omega 21.2) appears to use the OpenWebIF to connect (unless the files are needed for a non-Android remote platform!).

I had months of problems with OpenVIX and different release versions and then tried an alternative image (OpenBH) because WOS asked me to before sending the machine back, I've never had a problem since then with the OpenBH image (openbh-vuuno4kse-release-5.1.012.000).
I also haven't updated that new image to a new version because it's working.

I can link you to my image to try since my wife has no problems with it (main user).


Yes I have 4x Firesticks in the house running KODI and the E2 plugin.
Funnily enough my Uno4K only works properly with KODI version 19.4 on the Firesticks, any other version and I don't see everything eg the EPG may not show on the E2 plugin or I might not see all the channels in the channel list.
19.4 works perfectly.
I also use KODI on the Firesticks to access my NAS around the house, works great for me.
I don't understand why you have KODI on the Uno4K, you don't need it.

 

[JerryK132]

i would leave it….as it doesn,t crash

Even better! Thanks.

Btw, I ran a KODI client earlier. Worked fine but log shows
"GET /web/currenttime HTTP/1.1" 200 82 "-" "Kodi/21.2 (Linux; Android 9.0; AFTKA Build/PS7697.4800N) Android TV/9.0.0 Sys_CPU/armv7l App_Bitness/32 Version/21.2-(21.2.0)-Git:20250115-d1a1d48c3c"
14:23:20.4476 [eServiceFactoryDVB] lookupService getService failed!
14:23:20.4768 [eServiceFactoryDVB] lookupService getService failed!

But the error part is repeated many dozens of times after that and elsewhere in the log. Oddly I think this one is literally just asking for the time!

 

[JerryK132]

I had months of problems with OpenVIX and different release versions and then tried an alternative image (OpenBH) because WOS asked me to before sending the machine back, I've never had a problem since then with the OpenBH image (openbh-vuuno4kse-release-5.1.012.000).
I also haven't updated that new image to a new version because it's working.

I could link you to my image to try since my wife has no problems with it (main user).

Yes I have 4x Firesticks in the house running KODI and the E2 plugin.
Funnily enough my Uno4K only works properly with KODI version 19.4 on the Firesticks, any other version and I don't see everything eg the EPG may not show on the E2 plugin or I might not see all the channels in the channel list.
19.4 works perfectly.
I also use KODI on the Firesticks to access my NAS around the house, works great for me.

Thanks. Is OpenBH functionally similar to OpenVix? Not keen to start a new UX, but noted in case we give up and I have to!

I used to run KODI 19.x and I have a sneaking suspicion that they rewrote the E2 plugin completely since then, which I believe was what made my E2 box .kodi folder obsolete in favour of web services access currently used.

 

[aardvark5]

Thanks. Is OpenBH functionally similar to OpenVix? Not keen to start a new UX, but noted in case we give up and I have to!

I've been on VU boxes for well over a decade and used to experiment all the time.
IMO you can make all the images basically look like each other.
It's that easy putting a new image on, if you mess and don't like it you just put the old 2,9gb image back on (what the hell?).
Mine is 106 meg.
I presume you know how to do it with a USB stick?

 

[JerryK132]

I've been on VU boxes for well over a decade and used to experiment all the time.
IMO you can make all the images basically look like each other.
It's that easy putting a new image on, if you mess and don't like it you just put the old 2,9gb image back on (what the hell?).
Mine is 106 meg.
I presume you know how to do it with a USB stick?

Yes I do. Thanks. Although OpenBH 5.1.012 is available via Image Manager Downloads too, I see.
I will keep it in mind. would have to downgrade all the KODIs too, I guess. At least my current image is no longer nearly 3GB. Something weird happened that day, I think! Current image is about 800MB.
Offer appreciated though...

 

[twol]

Yes I do. Thanks. Although OpenBH 5.1.012 is available via Image Manager Downloads too, I see.
I will keep it in mind. would have to downgrade all the KODIs too, I guess. At least my current image is no longer nearly 3GB. Something weird happened that day, I think! Current image is about 800MB.
Offer appreciated though...

If you look at the openbh git you will see where the bulk of the code comes from…so Yes, we work closely together..so if openbh works for somebody then so will openvix…. And Yes, I have worked on providing code changes to fix issues for both OpenViX and Openbh
If somebody wants to stay on an ancient release thats their decision, but I prefer to fix issues where possible ….although Kodi is a challenge to all E2 images, as it was never written originally to support Kodi.

 

[aardvark5]

so if openbh works for somebody then so will openvix

However you can go back and read my posts from around 2021/2022, OpenVIX would not work at that time for me, constant crashes and deleting all the recordings off my drive, at WOSs suggestion I tried another image and the wife has never had a problem since then.
Yes I understand that 3 to 4 years have passed since then, perhaps I ought to give VIX a chance

If I tried the latest VIX would my saved settings from BH work in VIX so I don't have to setup all the tuners up again etc?

 

[twol]

Even better! Thanks.

Btw, I ran a KODI client earlier. Worked fine but log shows
"GET /web/currenttime HTTP/1.1" 200 82 "-" "Kodi/21.2 (Linux; Android 9.0; AFTKA Build/PS7697.4800N) Android TV/9.0.0 Sys_CPU/armv7l App_Bitness/32 Version/21.2-(21.2.0)-Git:20250115-d1a1d48c3c"
14:23:20.4476 [eServiceFactoryDVB] lookupService getService failed!
14:23:20.4768 [eServiceFactoryDVB] lookupService getService failed!

But the error part is repeated many dozens of times after that and elsewhere in the log. Oddly I think this one is literally just asking for the time!

A question, do you use the web interface for everything? (Rather than remote?

 

[JerryK132]

A question, do you use the web interface for everything? (Rather than remote?

I don't generally use the web if. Mostly vix direct connect to main tv via hdmi
plus periodic use of KODIs on FireSticks which in turn connect to VU+ box via (I believe) webif.

A good point though. I have VU+ remote on my phone but rarely use it - it also just stopped working with last updates, but maybe it works loaded on (Android) FireSticks...

Re my crashes, I believe there is a genuine bug causing the timeshift crashes, and I reckon we'll trap it.
As for the occasional stopped front panel clock crashes, that's more strange. I do wonder if it could be a thermal problem caused by KODI clients waking the HDD too often and causing overheating. A suggestion to use solid state and/or usb drives may be a useful experiment for movies and/or timeshift...

Btw timeshift does not quite make sense to me. Obviously I am not familiar with the programs, but we have various livebuffers and a timeshift buffer. I don't quite follow how the various files are enabled in the first place nor how they are consolidated and/or moved (to HDD/movie) as timeshift recording starts or ends. I'm just surprised nothing appears in HDD/movie until recording is all over (including margin segment). Food for thought