[TIVIAR-ALPHA+] Freeview Tuner doesn't show Freeview channels

[SkyFan]

My box has 2 satellite tuners and 1 freeview tuner. I assume all tuners can be used at once?

The satellite tuners work fine but the freeview tuner doeesn't work. I've added it as:

• Tuner C: DVB-T2.
• United Kingdom
• All regions, United Kingdom, (Europe DVB-T/T2)

Then I did an Automatic scan on Tuner C.

On my VU+ Duo 2 box I would exit all menus then press the Down arrow on my remote. I would got to Providers > Unknown. That was where the freeview channels would appear on that box when I used a USB freeview tuner. However on my Tiviar Alpha+ box that has a physical freeview tuner as a part of the box, when I go to Unknown I can only see standard definition channels and none of them display a picture. When I try to display any of the channels and I press the OK button the channel info popup on the bottom of the screen says it's a HbbTV channel.

How do I get the freeview channels to appear and in HD?

How many channels can be recorded at once with a single freeview cable?

Can I use a splitter to get 2 freeview cables? I will plug the second cable into a USB tuner.

 

[abu baniaz]

>I assume all tuners can be used at once?
Yes you can.

>The freeview tuner doesn't work
But you say it finds channels later


>How do I get the freeview channels to appear and in HD?
Tuner are for receiving signal. Creating bouquets is your job or you can use a plugin. Scanning the frequencies that contain HD services will obtain HD Services. Install the Terrestrial scan plugin and use/run it. There is no need to run it regularly, only when a retune is required.

>How many channels can be recorded at once with a single freeview cable?
Depends on which frequency you are tuned to. They all vary. Check "Current transponder" for each one or check a website

https://ukfree.tv/transmitters/multiplexes

>Can I use a splitter to get 2 freeview cables? I will plug the second cable into a USB tuner.
Yes you can split Terrestrial signal.

> I press the OK button the channel info popup on the bottom of the screen says it's a HbbTV channel.
There are no BBC applications you can use on. Ignore it.

 

[abu baniaz]

Maybe an idea to flash 5.3 039 instead of being on 5.2 022

 

[adm]

My box has 2 satellite tuners and 1 freeview tuner. I assume all tuners can be used at once?

The satellite tuners work fine but the freeview tuner doeesn't work. I've added it as:

• Tuner C: DVB-T2.
• United Kingdom
• All regions, United Kingdom, (Europe DVB-T/T2)

Then I did an Automatic scan on Tuner C.

On my VU+ Duo 2 box I would exit all menus then press the Down arrow on my remote. I would got to Providers > Unknown. That was where the freeview channels would appear on that box when I used a USB freeview tuner. However on my Tiviar Alpha+ box that has a physical freeview tuner as a part of the box, when I go to Unknown I can only see standard definition channels and none of them display a picture. When I try to display any of the channels and I press the OK button the channel info popup on the bottom of the screen says it's a HbbTV channel.

How do I get the freeview channels to appear and in HD?

How many channels can be recorded at once with a single freeview cable?

Can I use a splitter to get 2 freeview cables? I will plug the second cable into a USB tuner.

Try with ABM for Freeview for your local transmitter

menu -> setup -> tuners and scanning -> autobouquetmaker -> providers -> Freeview UK (region/transmitter etc.)
then
menu -> setup -> tuners and scanning -> autobouquetmaker -> start scan

You can use a splitter. Ideally one completely screened in a metal can as sold by the sponsor. They may/will come with F connectors but you can get F to coax (belling lee) adapters for around a quid that would fit on the end of a F type fly lead.

Example (male and female adaptors are available)

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/F-Type-Coaxial-Female-to-RF-TV-Aerial-Male-Adapter-Satellite-Coax-Connector-Sat/352612381282?epid=5030565518&hash=item521955f262:g:1MMAAOSw~~NcglLz

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/5-x-Auline-Coax-Socket-Female-to-F-Connector-Adaptor-Convert-Aerial-Male-F-Plug/252446848657?hash=item3ac7013691:g:zXYAAOSwEK9Tualb

One tuner is required for each Freeview MUX [Multiplex(er)] you are tuned into. Each MUX carries a number of TV channels/programs and you can record 8+ of these programs at the same time and/or 8+ programs on a combination of Freeview and Satellite. With one tuner you will only be able to watch or record the channels on that MUX but not from the possible 5 other MUXs on the transmitter mast. Two tuners will allow you to tune into two MUXs simultaneaously and watch/record any TV channels carried on those two MUXs.

The list of TV channels carried on each MUX (Multiplex) is shown at

https://ukfree.tv/transmitters/multiplexes

 

[adm]

You can use a splitter. Ideally one completely screened in a metal can

http://www.admac.myzen.co.uk/Splitter/

 

[BrianTheTechieSnail]

http://www.admac.myzen.co.uk/Splitter/

It's disappointing that that page doesn't seem to particularly disapprove of the utterly hopeless one that's just two resistors compared with the last fully screened inductive one which is probably quite reasonable.
It's also worth pointing out that if the signal is pretty weak you might be better off with a combined signal booster and splitter.

 

[adm]

It's disappointing that that page doesn't seem to particularly disapprove of the utterly hopeless one that's just two resistors compared with the last fully screened inductive one which is probably quite reasonable.
It's also worth pointing out that if the signal is pretty weak you might be better off with a combined signal booster and splitter.

The point is unless you take the last two examples to destruction you will not know if they are inductive or resistive. The plastic case is usually moulded on and untill removed/destroyed it's practically impossible by inspection to tell if there is a full metal screen beneath.

It's possible that even the first example from a different manufacturer may be inferior, but unlikely.

It's much like using unscreened or fully screened wallplates

http://www.satcure.co.uk/tech/wallplates.htm

Note: Satcure no longer trade.

Avoid any potential problems with local electrical interference and go for the fully screened products in the first place.

 

[BrianTheTechieSnail]

You might be able to make a good guess at them being hopeless using an ohm meter.
If any combination isn't either near zero ohms or near completely open be suspicious.
(Near zero probably being less than 1 or maybe 2 ohms and near open being greater than say 10k ohm)

 

[adm]

You might be able to make a good guess at them being hopeless using an ohm meter.
If any combination isn't either near zero ohms or near completely open be suspicious.
(Near zero probably being less than 1 or maybe 2 ohms and near open being greater than say 10k ohm)

Hmm, easy to do before purchase over the Net I'm sure the retailer would allow you to remove them from the sealed bubble pack and then accept back the reject(s)

 

[SkyFan]

I ran the "Terrestrial Scan" plugin and it found channels but I can't see the channels anywhere. Under Providers I see:

BSkyB
Freesat
SES
SES Astra
Unknown

I don't see the Freeview channels in any of those.

 

[adm]

I ran the "Terrestrial Scan" plugin and it found channels but I can't see the channels anywhere. Under Providers I see:

BSkyB
Freesat
SES
SES Astra
Unknown

I don't see the Freeview channels in any of those.

Is that the providers list in
menu -> setup -> tuners and scanning -> autobouquetmaker -> providers

or is it somewhere else that you are looking? When in the web interface and the bouquets editor the "Unknown" contains the freeview channels.

In which country are you residing? If in the UK use AutobouquetMaker (as in post #4) to get the Freeview Bouquet and channels. However it may help if you were running OpenVix 5.3.39 rather than 5.2.022

Maybe also set menu -> setup -> EPG -> Grid EPG -> Show Boquets on launch = yes

 

[SkyFan]

When watching a channel if you exit out of everything then press the down arrow then press the button to view "Providers" is where I was looking. I'm in the UK - London. I'm not bothered about AutoBouquets Maker at the moment. I'm just trying to view the list of freeview channels.

 

[adm]

When watching a channel if you exit out of everything then press the down arrow then press the button to view "Providers" is where I was looking. I'm in the UK - London. I'm not bothered about AutoBouquets Maker at the moment. I'm just trying to view the list of freeview channels.

The Freeview (Terestrial FTA) channels will be in "Unknown". If you have cofigured your box to show a transmitter or satellite icon then the contents of "unknown" will show a transmitter tower icon.

ABM will give you that list with a Freeview UK bouquet heading in around 30 seconds!

 

[abu baniaz]

Freeview services don't show under provider, same as Virgin. They always come up as unknown. So if you want to use Provider viewing mode, look in the unknown category.

In orbital mode, you can delect them under Terrestrial.

Or better still, use Bouquet mode and select them from the Terrestrial bouquet.

There is no need for you to use ABM.

 

[SkyFan]

As I said previously, when watching a channel if I exit out of everything then press the down arrow I see a screen that has this:
Red button: All
Green button: Satellites
Yellow button: Providers
Blue Button: Favourites

I pressed the yellow button to view "Providers". Then I select "Unknown". All the channels there are HbbTV. Is that the Providers menu you were referring to?

I don't know what you mean by this "In orbital mode, you can delect them under Terrestrial"
Or this "Or better still, use Bouquet mode and select them from the Terrestrial bouquet."

If I press the blue Button to view Favourites there's a Terrestrial menu at the top. That just has HbbTV channels again. I can't see any Freeview bouquets in Favourites.

Could you please give me step by step instructions as to where to find the menu that has the Freeview channels in.

 

[abu baniaz]

BBC channels will show the HBBTV sign because that is what they have on the data tables.

Which viewing mode do you want to use?
All (can work for you): Select the services with a tower once you enable service type icons
Satellites (orbital position - will work). Select the Terrestrial one
Provider (waste of your time). But will be in unknown category
Bouquets (will work for you). Select the Terrestrial bouquet


Post a screenshot of what you see.

This guide may be of help
https://www.world-of-satellite.com/showthread.php?63049-Bouquets-EPG-amp-Channel-navigation

 

[abu baniaz]

...If you have configured your box to show a transmitter or satellite icon then the contents of "unknown" will show a transmitter tower icon.

Just to add to this post, enable the option that says "Show service type icons"

 

[SkyFan]

Just to add to this post, enable the option that says "Show service type icons"

I read all your posts after this post and the pdf but I still don't know what buttons to press to get to the menus you mentioned.

Can you please give me step by step instructions on how to access the menu in your screenshot.

I use the “Open Magic HD Night” skin so my Grid EPG looks different than Grid EPG. Don't know if that makes a difference or not.

When watching a channel I press the down arrow then I press the green button for Satellites. A screenshot of what I see then is below:

View attachment 60532

4Seven HD is exclusive to Freeview so I'm looking for that channel in all the channel lists in the screenshot above. Couldn't find it.

I also pressed the yellow button for Providers. Screenshot of providers screen is below:



I went into each of the channels lists in the screenshot above but couldn't see 4SevenHD.

You said this:

Satellites (orbital position - will work). Select the Terrestrial one
Provider (waste of your time). But will be in unknown category
Bouquets (will work for you). Select the Terrestrial bouquet

I assume everything with 28.2E in my first screenshot is the orbital position you're referring to?
Bouquets (will work for you). Select the Terrestrial bouquet - What thing in my first screenshot were you referring to when you said that?

 

[abu baniaz]

Q. How can I watch 4Seven HD on Terrestrial/Freeview?
A. You cannot. It closed on 22 June.

In your first screenshot, select Terrestrial services. Once you access it, the terrestrial services will be listed alphabetically. You can then select the services that work.

Note:
You are in Extended mode, press Green to go into simple mode. You will see fewer lists.

In your second screenshot, you wouldselect unknown. But this is a waste of your time.

You are better off pressing Blue to show Favourite, then selecting the Terrestrial bouquet. You have not shown a screenshot of it.

 

[SkyFan]

OK I did what you said. When watching a channel I press the down arrow then I press the green button for Satellites and I'm using Simple mode. I then go into "Terrestrial - Services (TV)". It just lists HbbTV channels. No HD channels are there.

I also tried the Blue Button > Favourites > Terrestrial. But it just has the same channels as above.