[TIVIAR-ALPHA+] Freeview Tuner doesn't show Freeview channels

[abu baniaz]

Post a screenshot of what you see please.

 

[ccs]

Daft question - your terrestrial tuner is T2, not just T ??

 

[abu baniaz]

A separate question, is your TV capable of receiving Freeview HD? If so, does your TV find HD services during a scan?

 

[abu baniaz]

Daft question - your terrestrial tuner is T2, not just T ??

His first post says it's DVB-T2.

@Skyfan, is your aerial pointing to Crystal Palace mast or a repeater?

 

[SkyFan]

Don't know about my TV. But my VU+ Duo 2 could receive Freeview fine with a USB tuner. Aerial from my wall socket went into that tuner. I'm now putting that cable into my Tiviar tuner instead.

Screenshots of the Tiviar Tuner





Terrestrial Services Screenshot



Favourites - Terrestrial Screenshot

 

[SkyFan]

His first post says it's DVB-T2.

@Skyfan, is your aerial pointing to Crystal Palace mast or a repeater?

I'm in Dumfries, Scotland. How do I find out where my aerial is pointed to?

 

[abu baniaz]

Did your USB tuner on Duo2 find HD Terrestrial services?

 

[SkyFan]

Did your USB tuner on Duo2 find HD Terrestrial services?

Yes it did.

 

[abu baniaz]

Have you tried the USB tuner on the Tiviar? Tuners have different sensitivities.

 

[adm]

I'm in Dumfries, Scotland. How do I find out where my aerial is pointed to?

So why did you post "I'm in the UK - London."?
Teresstrail TV depends on where you live and which transmitter frequencies you scan for. There is no point in scanning for a London transmitter if you live in Scotchland as the range of each transmitter is limited (maybe to as little as 30km)

Put your postcode into
http://www.wolfbane.net/cgi-bin/tvd.exe?

and press go

You will be given a list of possible transmitters with a compass bearing from you house (post code) to the transmitter. You should be able to establish in which direction (bearing) your aerial is pointing.

 

[SkyFan]

Because I want ITV London, etc. My Postcode is DG1 4DJ. That page says I should use Caldbeck. Is that correct?

I installed my Sundtek USB tuner.

Setup > Tuner Config > Tuner Setup > Select Tuner E: Sundtek DVB-T2 (III).

Tuner Type: DVB-T2
Configuration Mode: Enabled
Country: UK
Region: Change to "United Kingdom, all regions Europe DVB-T/T2)". Also tried Calbeck, Cumbria.
Enable 5V for active antenna: Off
Press Green to Save.

Menu > Setup > Tuner Config > Terrestrial Scan.
Band; UHF Europe
Network Scan: No
Clear before scan: Yes
Only Free Scan: No
Restrict Search to Single ONID: No
Create Terrestrial Bouquet: Yes
Create Terrestrial.xml file: No
Tuner D: Sundtek DVB-T2 (III) (1/0) (USB) (DVB-T2)

Tried it with UK all regions as the region. HD channels didn't appear with same problems as before. Tried it with Calbeck, Cumbria and HD channels still don't appear in Favourites > Terrestrial.
However the HD channels appear in Providers > Unknown. I'm getting a picture now but there's picture breakup every minute or so on all the freeview HD channels. When I press OK on a channel to view info about the channel it says "DVB-T and HbbTV" for BBC 1 HD and BBC 2 HD.

The following channels say DVB-T and do NOT say HbbTV and haven't seen any breakup on them yet:

Channel 4 HD
Channel 5 HD
ITV HD

The following Standard Definition channels say DVB-T and do NOT say HbbTV and have a lot of breakup all the time:
Dave
Drama
Sky News
Yesterday

Above are just some examples, I haven't checked all the other channels as I'm not interested in them.

I enabled service type icons. All channels in Unknown and in Favourites > Terrestrial have a blue tower picture to the left of the channels names.

Anybody got any idea of what's going on here? When I plug the aerial directly into my box's tuner I don't get a picture on any Freeview channels as there's massive breakup and didn't get HD channels at all. When I used the Sundtek tuner I got the HD channels and the HD channels show but have break up every minute or so and the SD channels have a lot of break up.

Is there a test I can do to check that I'm able to receive freeview properly? Don't understand why not even the USB tuner isn't working properly. I used to use that tuner on my VU+ Duo 2 box in the same room.

 

[ccs]

Have you installed the Sundtek control centre plugin?

https://www.world-of-satellite.com/...ndtek-USB-tuners-using-Sundtek-Control-Center

I'm afraid you'll never get itv london on freeview if you live in Scotland.

 

[abu baniaz]

There have been reshuffle of frequencies. So you may need to adjust cabling, filters, face plates.

Can you please forget the HBBTV indication. It is irrelevant.

 

[ccs]

https://www.freeview.co.uk/help

suggests Thornhill is your transmitter, based on a random house number.

 

[SkyFan]

Yes I installed Sundtek control centre plugin. ITV London is the least of my problems! I'd be happy with just getting a picture that doesn't break up.

There have been reshuffle of frequencies. So you may need to adjust cabling, filters, face plates.

Can you be more specific? An aerial is fixed in one place on a roof. How can I possibly adjust my cabling? I've got an Aeriel wall socket which connects to the aerial in the attic which connects to the Aeriel on the roof.

 

[adm]

Because I want ITV London, etc.

You can ONLY get what your local transmitter mast is transmitting. Different transmitter masts may/will be transmitting different regional programs. Each mast may only have a range of 30 to 50Km, assuming no hills or mountains in the way.

My Postcode is DG1 4DJ. That page says I should use Caldbeck. Is that correct?

Possibly yes but you do need to check the direction/bearing of your aerial. If it is pointing at, say, Dumfries South then setting Caldbeck will result in the wrong frequencies being scanned. However Caldbeck also seems to have a very limited service on "Caldbeck Scotland" (maybe something like the non-english language channel, Glaswegian etc.)

I installed my Sundtek USB tuner.

Setup > Tuner Config > Tuner Setup > Select Tuner E: Sundtek DVB-T2 (III).

Tuner Type: DVB-T2
Configuration Mode: Enabled
Country: UK
Region: Change to "United Kingdom, all regions Europe DVB-T/T2)". Also tried Calbeck, Cumbria.

Is the Calbeck setting in this section of tuning been kept up-to date or is it just a legacy setting that may be wrong? Transmitter frequencies have changed over the past year or so.

Enable 5V for active antenna: Off
Press Green to Save.

Menu > Setup > Tuner Config > Terrestrial Scan.
Band; UHF Europe
Network Scan: No
Clear before scan: Yes
Only Free Scan: No
Restrict Search to Single ONID: No
Create Terrestrial Bouquet: Yes
Create Terrestrial.xml file: No
Tuner D: Sundtek DVB-T2 (III) (1/0) (USB) (DVB-T2)

So maybe your plugin is scanning all posible frequencies and picking up signals from distant transmitters that will give you low signal levels and very poor reception. Ideally you need just to scan from your local transmitter and not just use a scatter gun approach.

Is there a test I can do to check that I'm able to receive freeview properly? Don't understand why not even the USB tuner isn't working properly. I used to use that tuner on my VU+ Duo 2 box in the same room.

Try ABM and only with your inbuilt tuner and with no splitters

Tuner Type: DVB-T2
Configuration Mode: Enabled
Country: UK
Region: Change to "United Kingdom, all regions Europe DVB-T/T2)"
Enable 5V for active antenna: Off
Press Green to Save.

menu -> setup -> tuners and scanning -> autobouquetmaker -> providers ->
Freeview UK =yes
Region = Calbeck England (there is a Calbeck Scotland setting but that only covers a couple of MUXs and not the full range of programs)
FTA only = yes
Create main bouquet = yes
Say no to all the other options until you test this.


then
menu -> setup -> tuners and scanning -> autobouquetmaker -> start scan


If this works you have something wrong in the settings or drivers that you have previously been trying to use.
If it doesn't check the direction of your aerial.

 

[ccs]

Maybe time to take a look at frequency finder......

https://www.world-of-satellite.com/...Finder-Add-HD-channels-regions-UK-Terrestrial

 

[adm]

Maybe time to take a look at frequency finder......

https://www.world-of-satellite.com/...Finder-Add-HD-channels-regions-UK-Terrestrial

Which doesn't give the correct results with some tuners.

 

[adm]

https://www.freeview.co.uk/help

suggests Thornhill is your transmitter, based on a random house number.

There are 3 possible transmitters and only Coldbeck has the full range of MUXs and the terrain between the post code and Calbeck transmitter looks good



so, if the tranmitter transmits in the scotish direction for all MUX then that is the most likely.

However only the OP can tell us in which direction his aerial points. Otherwise we are only speculating on which transmitter. The wolfbane site gives the bearing to the transmitter. Aerial pointing approx SouthEast = calbeck, aerial pointing North West = Thornhill or Dumfries. Three options out of 4 only transmit on 3 MUXs rather than 6.

Edit: also check which way the aerial is orientated, Horizntal or Vertical polarised. See the PICTURE at
https://www.bbc.co.uk/reception/help-guides/freeview/what-type-of-aerial-do-i-need

Horizontal = Calbeck (England or Scotchland)
Vertical = Thornhill or Dumfries

 

[abu baniaz]

Is the Calbeck setting in this section of tuning been kept up-to date or is it just a legacy setting that may be wrong? Transmitter frequencies have changed over the past year or so.

The xml file is not used for tuning, it is used for scanning. It is also not used by ABM.

Unless someone provides details/reuests a change, they stay as they are. We only list problematic/clash areas as the general one should work.

Best to set " ignore namespace subnet" to no and scan. You won't get overwrites.