Yep done that, Connections are good, this has only started since I did the VIX update ?? box hasn't moved so connections haven't moved, (checked them anyway) I checked on the tuner stats bit and when I am not recording I have 2 tuners with 100% gain, but as soon as a recording starts, I Loose a tuner (obviously) but i also loose access to ALL the sly channels except the one I am recording, the FTA channels still work on the other tuner ??