Only got 1 Sat (28deg) after Vix 4 image update

[abu baniaz]

The last scanned bouquet contains channels from the last enigma2 scan. You did not do that, you used ABM.

I can post instructions for you, you must be prepared to follow them. You can do other stuff once completed following advice.

 

[madpierre]

The last scanned bouquet contains channels from the last enigma2 scan. You did not do that, you used ABM.

I can post instructions for you, you must be prepared to follow them. You can do other stuff once completed following advice.

That would be great, but I was wondering if we could simplify the problem by taking the motorised dish out of the equation altogether.
If I just connect both feeds from the fixed sky dish to my Vu+ and set it up as single satellite system we should be able to find the missing channels issue without the complication of worrying about satellite position.

I greatly appreciate your help but I must nip out for about an hour to go collect the Missus from Dialysis. If you are still online when I get back I would like to continue if possible?

 

[abu baniaz]

I have got the tuner configuration for you, but they do not match what you have described here.

Was your dish installed so that it works on USALS motor control? Simple answer from following options please:

a. yes
b. no
c. I dont know

 

[madpierre]

I don't know but if I try a scan with usals turned off I only get about 15 channels on 28.2.
I think we are trying to correct 2 different problems at once here.
I understand what you are saying regarding the positioner setup and ABM not working correctly, but its the lack of channels that is the main issue.
While I was downstairs I have disconnected the motorised dish, connected both of the cables from the fixed sky dish, set both tuners to simple, single and 28.2E. I then ran ABM and it worked in so far as it created a series of bouquets, but even looking in the bouquets it generated on the fixed dish system, there are very few Sky channels (I.e channels with Sky in the name) only sky box office and SSNHQ HD.
This is a basic setup with a dish that I know is set correctly (as my Sky+ HD box works fine on all the channels), yet I still don't get any sky sports or sky Atlantic etc detected. I think if we can get the channels back on a single fixed dish setup that this now is, then the other sats will take care of themselves when I reconnect the motorised dish (though i accept the ABM probably wont work!)

 

[abu baniaz]

I don't know but if I try a scan with usals turned off I only get about 15 channels on 28.2.

That is because the motorised dish is pointing to the wrong place. If you configure it properly, it will point in the right direction.

After running ABM, did you actually check the bouquets or see the all/satellite view?

If you scan on the fixed dish, and then connect the motorised dish, you will keep getting tune failed if the dish is pointing at the wrong place. Tuner config must match the hardware connected to it. If the dish is not pointing at 28.2, changing tuner config wont make the dish move.

 

[abu baniaz]

With regards to the motorised dish......

The motor/dish must be aligned correctly (hardware)
The tuner configuration must match (software)

Flashing new image doe snot change the hardware, so it is just the software. As said earlier, tuner configuration is fundamental. Unless you configure correctly, you will have problems.

 

[madpierre]

That is because the motorised dish is pointing to the wrong place. If you configure it properly, it will point in the right direction.

After running ABM, did you actually check the bouquets or see the all/satellite view?


If you scan on the fixed dish, and then connect the motorised dish, you will keep getting tune failed if the dish is pointing at the wrong place. Tuner config must match the hardware connected to it. If the dish is not pointing at 28.2, changing tuner config wont make the dish move.

Do you mean the last one I just ran on the fixed dish? if, yes I checked both.

Please ignore the motorised dish for now.
If I cant get the channels on the fixed dish it doesn't matter if the motorised dish is right or wrong, it still wont pick them up.

It's only the ABM that has a problem locating the other sats, NOT an automatic scan.The motorised dish does point at the correct satellites when I run an automatic scan and it detects channels on all satellites, just not all the channels, but as I said, lets just work on the fixed dish system please and see if we can get the Sky channels to detect, as the ABM gets a lock when configured for this.

 

[madpierre]

TBH I'm wondering whether to re-flash with the latest image and start again with the fixed dish connected to see If i get all the Sky channels then. If that doesn't work then I might go back to the old version of VIX as that worked ok.
Any thoughts?

 

[abu baniaz]

Your dish is not being set to the right place. If it was, you would get all the channels. Just accept this fact.

 

[madpierre]

Your dish is not being set to the right place. If it was, you would get all the channels. Just accept this fact.

Then why cant I get the channels when its connected to the fixed sky dish?

 

[abu baniaz]

With all due respect, you are doing something wrong. It is impossible for ABM to run successfully and for you not to have the Sky channels (not that I asked you to run ABM).

 

[madpierre]

Haha yes I get that I'm doing something wrong. I just cant work out what. I have tried so much over the last week that I cant remember what I have done so I think in the morning, I will re-flash and try again with it set up as a single satellite on the fixed dish and see if I get any more Sky channels. If you are up for some more hair pulling, I would appreciate your guidance with the clean system tomorrow if you are around?

Anyway thanks very much for your help and patience, it has been much appreciated.

Regards
Peter.

 

[abu baniaz]

Not sure you need to work out what you are doing wrong, you just need to do the right things.

 

[madpierre]

Update.
This morning I have reflashed with the latest image and set the system up as single sat. Both tuners are connected to the fixed dish and are set simple, single and automatic. Everything else is left at default. I then did an automatic scan when prompted and have now found all the missing channels on 28.2. (cant remember the exact number but very close to 1k channels. I ran ABM which worked fine and gave me the completed bouquets. I then installed CCcam and everything was working fine, so I reconnected the motorised dish without altering any settings and checked that the previously missing channels were still viewable which they were.
That is the first problem fixed.
Now to the motorised system.
I have now set the Tuner 1 config to advanced, entered my GPS location, set the other satellites to LNB 1, set discQ mode to A/B version 1.2 and set second tuner to "second cable of motorised dish LNB1"
I am now running manual scans on the other satellites to check if they still have missing channels. I will update the thread when I know the results of that, but so far the dish is moving between satellites as expected so I just need to check the channels lists when its finished. I am avoiding the ABM at this stage as I suspect it still wont work on the motorised dish (It never did even on the old image) and maybe have a look at that once I've got all the channels detecting.

 

[sandiego69]

Sorry to jump in here. Why are you setting diseq and not USALS? I would venture to suggest that is the key to your problem.

 

[madpierre]

Ok guys.. After the last post I did a manual scan on all the Satellites in my range (1W-28E) and seem to have picked up all the channels I was expecting.
The dish moves between satellites when expected and the reception seems good.
I have not ran ABM as I suspect it will not work and I don't want to corrupt or lose the sky bouquets I made on the fixed dish, or the satellite scans I made manually.
I will make a new backup now everything else seems to be working and then if abu baniaz or someone with similar knowledge is willing to guide me through correct ABM configuration, I will give it a go.

Regarding sandiego69's question, it is my understanding (From Wikipedia) that USALS uses the DiSEqc 1.2 protocol to communicate the settings to the positioner, so both are turned on in my config. Is this wrong?

 

[abu baniaz]

Perform a manual scan of the transponder shown in picture. How many channel do you get?

N.B.
ABM does not interfere with your bouquets.

 

[madpierre]

Hi Abu, It didn't find any channels

 

[abu baniaz]

You need to fine tune your dish or change the configuration. (Please accept this fact. That transponder is the one that Sky UK uses for their receivers at bootup, your dish is not locking onto it)

When you were asked about how your dish was setup, your answers were not distinct. Majority of people set/configure their motorised dish like the attached picture. If it is slightly out, they cheat and adjust the co-ordinates.



Other people manually tune the dish and store positions if the dish/motor was not aligned for USALS usage

 

[madpierre]

Now we are getting somewhere. I had never seen that screen before and the settings were out by about 8 deg Longitde and 5 deg latitude. I had always input my lat and long in the tuner advanced config at the bottom of the satelite config screen. Now I have corrected them in the screen you showed me, I have rescanned the transponder and got 9 channels.

One thing I did notice, when I hit ok after the scan, the tuner A config now says mode USALS.