[ViX_Misc] Can't rewind timeshift using remote stream/fallback tuner

[abu baniaz]

Do you have statistics of how many people use fallback tuner/remote stream for timeshift? We don't. Even then, how many use the Zero in that way. Secondly, the segmentation fault is usually driver related.

It will need to be tested. We do our testing/modification for free. It is a hobby. The attitude with which you are posting is not endearing. Please review the way your posts come across.

 

[realdannys]

Just for a final test I did a complete restore, no settings, fresh download flash of 4.1. Initialised USB device from scratch, set up timeshift, added remote channel streamer plugin (for speed, instead of fallback tuner) and imported one bouquet. Tuned to BBC 1 and tested. Same result. So can confirm, this is a repeatable bug with streaming channels at least on the VU+ Zero.

 

[realdannys]

Do you have statistics of how many people use fallback tuner/remote stream for timeshift? We don't. Even then, how many use the Zero in that way. Secondly, the segmentation fault is usually driver related.

It will need to be tested. We do our testing/modification for free. It is a hobby. The attitude with which you are posting is not endearing. Please review the way your posts come across.

The comment about streaming wasn't supposed to be argumentative - literally an observation that i'd have thought there would be other people streaming channels on the VU+ Zero being as its basically made to be a second room box and that maybe there was some specifically wrong with either my box, or with a setting. But yes you could say I arrived at my wits end with the silly bugs I was experiencing (and the grief I was getting in the ear from the wife for the corrupt EPG) so I was going to take exception to some fool suggesting its "user error" when its quite obvious i'm spending my time logging and reporting actual bugs here that others haven't which could only help the community in the long run. I appreciate there is no money in the scene which is part of the problem that it is just an amateur hobby, but world-of-sat are selling the boxes and offering little to no support afterwards.

As someone who runs linux web based servers, bug reports for Apple and has 15 years of working with the terminal in unix based systems, it is quite an annoyance when someone suggests something that is quite obvious to anyone who knows how unix systems works isn't going to have an impact on the issue. And yes I understand there will be a number of newbies that come along and do something so you have to start with call centre levels of obvious support at times, but lets assume if they're posting debug logs and have exhausted every reasonable cause of action they're not this sort of user and are actually trying to log a repeatable bug.

That being said at least something has been discovered here - though it may be as someone alluded to a driver issue - in which case, how can we report it to presumably VU themselves. It may well be worth be testing other images too, though I can't say I had any luck with Blackhole - there is no fallback tuner option in their image (and not a single person on the forum even bothered to answer if you could add it when asking so they really don't seem the most clued up) - I could test other groups images for the sake of bug testing though.

 

[abu baniaz]

The source files for the image is opensource and hosted on Github. Feel free to submit fixes.

 

[twol]

The comment about streaming wasn't supposed to be argumentative - literally an observation that i'd have thought there would be other people streaming channels on the VU+ Zero being as its basically made to be a second room box and that maybe there was some specifically wrong with either my box, or with a setting. But yes you could say I arrived at my wits end with the silly bugs I was experiencing (and the grief I was getting in the ear from the wife for the corrupt EPG) so I was going to take exception to some fool suggesting its "user error" when its quite obvious i'm spending my time logging and reporting actual bugs here that others haven't which could only help the community in the long run. I appreciate there is no money in the scene which is part of the problem that it is just an amateur hobby, but world-of-sat are selling the boxes and offering little to no support afterwards.

As someone who runs linux web based servers, bug reports for Apple and has 15 years of working with the terminal in unix based systems, it is quite an annoyance when someone suggests something that is quite obvious to anyone who knows how unix systems works isn't going to have an impact on the issue. And yes I understand there will be a number of newbies that come along and do something so you have to start with call centre levels of obvious support at times, but lets assume if they're posting debug logs and have exhausted every reasonable cause of action they're not this sort of user and are actually trying to log a repeatable bug.

That being said at least something has been discovered here - though it may be as someone alluded to a driver issue - in which case, how can we report it to presumably VU themselves. It may well be worth be testing other images too, though I can't say I had any luck with Blackhole - there is no fallback tuner option in their image (and not a single person on the forum even bothered to answer if you could add it when asking so they really don't seem the most clued up) - I could test other groups images for the sake of bug testing though.

I use fallback tuner a lot ... but NOT normally timeshift!!
OK having been prompted to try this on my boxes, have to say its not another ( ) VU+ driver issue, happens on my both ET8500 and Wetek (sorry guys), both are at latest (as of last night) OpenViX and OE-A including ViX Dev.
The Wetek hangs immediately after pause wait 15 secs and play(OK - not a big deal, it has a USB for files!) but with the ET8500 (which has a HDD) you hit pause, wait 15 secs, press play and it goes into a replay loop of about 1 sec's video/audio .. pressing FF to try and get out of the loop puts it into a dead stop and E2 hang .... power off/on is the only way out ... no crash logs.

I can try the ET7500 but its so close in code to the ET8500 I expect the same .... but will probably try over the weekend .

 

[twol]

Surely if this happened on all boxes lots of people would have noticed by now though - I would have thought a lot of people with the VU+ Zero are using it as a tuner-less second box in bedrooms etc?

Its beginning to look more and more likely that this was broken at some point during development and no one noticed I guess.

... but not necessarily with timeshift .... I don't for example

although the last 6 months I know I have used it during Wetek testing and don't remember issues, so think your posts have been positive and useful

 

[twol]

I use fallback tuner a lot ... but NOT normally timeshift!!
OK having been prompted to try this on my boxes, have to say its not another ( ) VU+ driver issue, happens on my both ET8500 and Wetek (sorry guys), both are at latest (as of last night) OpenViX and OE-A including ViX Dev.
The Wetek hangs immediately after pause wait 15 secs and play(OK - not a big deal, it has a USB for files!) but with the ET8500 (which has a HDD) you hit pause, wait 15 secs, press play and it goes into a replay loop of about 1 sec's video/audio .. pressing FF to try and get out of the loop puts it into a dead stop and E2 hang .... power off/on is the only way out ... no crash logs.

I can try the ET7500 but its so close in code to the ET8500 I expect the same .... but will probably try over the weekend .

So on the ET8500 I can get out of the loop by changing channel and cancelling the timeshift

 

[birdman]

That being said at least something has been discovered here - though it may be as someone alluded to a driver issue

Seems unlikely, given that rewinding is done in software.

 

[birdman]

The Wetek hangs immediately after pause wait 15 secs and play(OK - not a big deal, it has a USB for files!) but with the ET8500 (which has a HDD) you hit pause, wait 15 secs, press play and it goes into a replay loop of about 1 sec's video/audio .. pressing FF to try and get out of the loop puts it into a dead stop and E2 hang .... power off/on is the only way out ... no crash logs.

If you have a debug log that could be interesting - if you post one please describe the final symptoms and the actions that led to it.

 

[twol]

If you have a debug log that could be interesting - if you post one please describe the final symptoms and the actions that led to it.

Do it tomorrow when I have some time free, although to me it doesn,t show a lot... but will try a new log at the point after its issued the cancel timeshift msg and is in a "wait state"
Note for Birdman: this image contains the FF/FR endless spinner code

 

[Clabs]

If you have a debug log that could be interesting - if you post one please describe the final symptoms and the actions that led to it.

Birdman - thanks for looking at this mate - appreciate it.

I am in a similar situation to twol - I use fallback tuner extensively. I have tested with an ET8500 and Vu+ Zero and have attached a debug log from each receiver.

Both receivers are clients to a Vu+ Duo2 and all 3 receivers are on Vix 4.1.003. ET8500 has internal HDD and Zero has USB HDD.

ET8500: Similar results to twol. Pausing and then playing again 20 seconds or so later results in a bit of a loop in playback and eventually box locks up with spinner or just judders around until channel change.

Vu+ Zero: Pretty much identical results to realdannys. Pausing and unpausing works perfectly but as soon as you hit RRW or FFW then you seem to be dumped straight back to live TV

The earlier log is the ET8500.

Hope they are useful but shout if you need anything more.

Thanks again, Mark

View attachment Enigma2-2016-04-23_21-24-22.logView attachment Enigma2-2016-04-23_21-39-27.log

 

[birdman]

Hope they are useful but shout if you need anything more.

There doesn't seem to be anything in either log about pausing, which would log a PAUSE key press like this

< 211.262> [InfoBarGenerics] KEY: 164 PAUSE

 

[abu baniaz]

Hope this helps

 

[abu baniaz]

Thread title updated from "Can't rewind timeshift." to reflect that this is remote stream/tuner issue. Also changed to Vix Misc as issue affects several boxes.

 

[abu baniaz]

Previous log was from manbually starting timeshift. This one is with it starting automatically after 20 seconds.

I should also add, that selecting exit timeshift without saving results in a hang (endless spinner). This was on both tests.

 

[birdman]

Hope this helps

Well - it's very different to the one in #1. It has reports reasonable values for the bitrates.
Did this actually perform as it "should"?

 

[abu baniaz]

The stopping stage did not respond as it should. However, the TM's have an issue recognising EoF, so that could be a factor.

I was able to rewind, ffwd.

 

[psykix]

The comment about streaming wasn't supposed to be argumentative - literally an observation that i'd have thought there would be other people streaming channels on the VU+ Zero being as its basically made to be a second room box and that maybe there was some specifically wrong with either my box, or with a setting. But yes you could say I arrived at my wits end with the silly bugs I was experiencing (and the grief I was getting in the ear from the wife for the corrupt EPG) so I was going to take exception to some fool suggesting its "user error" when its quite obvious i'm spending my time logging and reporting actual bugs here that others haven't which could only help the community in the long run. I appreciate there is no money in the scene which is part of the problem that it is just an amateur hobby, but world-of-sat are selling the boxes and offering little to no support afterwards.

As someone who runs linux web based servers, bug reports for Apple and has 15 years of working with the terminal in unix based systems, it is quite an annoyance when someone suggests something that is quite obvious to anyone who knows how unix systems works isn't going to have an impact on the issue. And yes I understand there will be a number of newbies that come along and do something so you have to start with call centre levels of obvious support at times, but lets assume if they're posting debug logs and have exhausted every reasonable cause of action they're not this sort of user and are actually trying to log a repeatable bug.

That being said at least something has been discovered here - though it may be as someone alluded to a driver issue - in which case, how can we report it to presumably VU themselves. It may well be worth be testing other images too, though I can't say I had any luck with Blackhole - there is no fallback tuner option in their image (and not a single person on the forum even bothered to answer if you could add it when asking so they really don't seem the most clued up) - I could test other groups images for the sake of bug testing though.

I have to disagree with your comment about World Of Satellite. I had reason to avail myself of their after sales support last week, and they were nothing short of accommodating. Stef in particular went out of his way to ensure I was happy.

I'm watching this thread with interest though, as I am toying with the idea of getting a VU+ Zero myself, and using it without a feed, but connecting to my Solo 4k. Having young kids means the ability to timeshift is quite handy for when I have to go be referee and split up their fights or attend their needs!

 

[Clabs]

There doesn't seem to be anything in either log about pausing, which would log a PAUSE key press like this

That is strange because I paused and unpaused a few times during those logs. Anyway, here is another longer log (from the Zero) that should hopefully be more useful:
View attachment Enigma2-2016-04-24_08-24-46.log

 

[twol]

ET8500 pause/play logs

So basically the debug log broken down into 4 steps but gradually growing and saved via Fiilezilla
log1 boot up playing BBC1 HD
log2 (log1) plus press play/pause wait 20 secs press play/pause
log3 (log1 + log2) plus change to fallback tuner
log4 (log1+log2+log3) plus press play/pause wait 20secs press play pause wait 10 secs press channel up kill timeshift press channel down (back to BBC1 HD)

You can clearly see the play pause key in log2 and log4 and subsequent actions

Enjoy hopefully

View attachment Enigma2-2016-04-24_12-07-26.txtView attachment Enigma2-2016-04-24_12-07-26-2.txtView attachment Enigma2-2016-04-24_12-07-26-3.txtView attachment Enigma2-2016-04-24_12-07-26-4.txt