cannot record more than 2 channels

[adm]

There is no change in the EPG, but in the bouquet the unavailable channels are greyed out.

Surely the EPG is just a list of channels in a bouquet with program timing information? The channels in my EPG were arranged using the bouquet editor in the web interface.

The EPG view with the channels greyed out is exactly the same bouquet list with exactly the same program timing/description information, albeit less of it and displayed differently.

If there a difference between a bouquet and an EPG then former is just a list of channels and the other is a list of channels with timing/description information.

As both of the screens have a list plus timing/description then both must be EPG?

 

[abu baniaz]

EPG is what people have accepted to be "Synopsis". Just because Sky call channel lists/groups of channels " EPG", it does not mean the rest of the world has to.

Would be a good addition to grey out channels in EPG screens too.


E2 receivers can be confusing. Does not help when experienced people keep using names for one thing when they mean something else.

 

[birdman]

I see a task for you.

Added to the list.

 http://birdman.dynalias.org/OpenVix/my_bug_list.html

I might be able to get some work done on it (the list...) shortly.

 

[adm]

Does not help when experienced people keep using names for one thing when they mean something else.

So why is one of these screenshots classified as an EPG and the other not. Both screenshots have a list of channels (from the same bouquet), both have a list of programs for each of these channels, both have the times that the programs are broadcast. The only difference is the formatting of the information. Both seem to me to be an electronic program guide.

 

[spanner123]

For what it's worth I would call one an EPG and the other a now & next guide!

 

[abu baniaz]

Why is a wheel classified a wheel? Is a wheel no longer a wheel when it is part of a car?

Left: You accessed the Graphical EPG. This opens up the last selected bouquet. Note that one leads into the other, yet they are different.

Right: You accessed the Bouquet called alan_Freesat. It loads the EPG it has.

You can have Channel lists without EPG.
You can have EPG with no channel list.

They are two different things. Try disabling one then deleting the relevant data. The other will still be there. The following will get rid of channel lists, but not channels. EPG will not be touched.

init 4 && sleep 10 && rm -rf /etc/defaultsat.tar.gz && rm -rf /etc/enigma2/*.tv && rm -rf /etc/enigma2/*.radio  && rm -rf /etc/enigma2/*.del &&  init 3

 

[ccs]

Left: You accessed the Graphical EPG. This opens up the last selected bouquet. [STRIKE]Note that one leads into the other, yet they are different.[/STRIKE]

Right: You accessed the Bouquet called alan_Freesat. It loads the EPG it has.

Aren't they then both EPG's ?

 

[adm]

Aren't they then both EPG's ?

Plus:
Left. I pressed the EPG button and got a list of bouquet names from which I selected alan_freesat to get the screenshot EPG.
Right: I pressed the up button and got a list of bouquet names from which I selected alan_freesat to get the screenshot EPG.

Absolutely no difference in operation, apart from a different start button, to get exactly the same sequence to get exactly the same Electronic Program Guide from the same source information.

(I have separate bouquets for UK freesat and freeview channels)

No wonder ordinary users are confused when an EPG that they can see on their screens is not an EPG.

 

[abu baniaz]

Aren't they then both EPG's ?

The EPG data is the synopsis. i.e what event is on the service.

For what it's worth I would call one an EPG and the other a now & next guide!

Call it what you want.

It is better for those posting on the forum to help others to use the names that are used on E2 receivers. Otherwise the steep learning curve involved when people move over to E2 receivers is even worse.

Things a person would have to do.
1. Scan/transfer/create (or combination) a channel list/favourites/bouquets.
[STRIKE]2. Obtain EPG data for said services. We have Freesat/UK DVB-C and EIT enabled on our image. Other images have them off and prefer to download from the internet. 28.2 users normally use CrossEPG downaloder. [/STRIKE]
2. Obtain EPG data for said services. We have Freesat/UK DVB-C and EIT enabled on our image. Other images have them off and prefer to download from the internet. Sky 28.2 users normally use CrossEPG downloader.

Persistent mixing up of the two will not help those starting out. If we accept the "EPG is both", a person will have to: 1 create the EPG. 2. Then enable and download the EPG.
A person starting out will then think: So what was stage 1? Ahh! they are different. So why use the same name?

To access the bouquets on Vix/openATV, press the TV button.

 

[abu baniaz]

No wonder ordinary users are confused when an EPG that they can see on their screens is not an EPG.

You insist on calling it "Channel lists/bouquets" EPG when they are not.
N.B Vix/OE-A images uses the TV button to access the bouquets at upper most level.

The fact that Freesat/Freeview EPG is absorbed by the system natively, hinders your distinction of the two. Further to the last test, disable all EPG features, delete EPG data. Has channel data/bouquets/genres/groups disappeared? Do you still insist they are the one and the same?

 

[birdman]

The EPG data is the synopsis. i.e what event is on the service.

The broadcast mechanism for now&next and the full EPG are different - at least they were on DVB-T (the latter was added later).

So Now&Next was never an EPG to those of use with Terrestrial Tuners.

Although I look on it as the bouquets being a list of channels and the EPG is the data of which programme is on which channel and for how long, etc..
There are the multiple views of this database.

 

[abu baniaz]

Although I look on it as the bouquets being a list of channels and the EPG is the data of which programme is on which channel and for how long, etc..
There are the multiple views of this database.

Exactly!
But they are different/independent databases that interact with each other.

A bouquet will show N/A if the service is not on the system.

 

[birdman]

Exactly!
But they are different/independent databases that interact with each other.

I reckon they are one Vix database created from multiple sources...

 

[Valiant]

Pressing the EPG button displays a list of bouquets in the "Choose Bouquet" screen.

- choose a bouquet here and the graphical EPG is displayed which shows programme information and allows the selection of a programme for viewing and the creation of a timer for recording purposes. If you press Menu in this screen you are given the "GraphicalEPG settings" screen that allows you to change the way the EPG is displayed - simple formatting mostly.

Pressing the TV (or Radio) button displays the same list of bouquets in the "(TV)" (or "(Radio)") screen.

- pressing Menu here displays a "Channel list context menu" containing bouquet maintenance options e.g. create/amend/delete so that you can maintain your own bouquets.

- choose a bouquet here and a list of services is displayed along with programme information - Now and Next and PiP, and also Satellites and Providers information.
- pressing Menu after a choice of bouquet displays another "Channel list context menu" screen which provides faciliies to maintain the constituents of the selected bouquet.

The EPG button quite obviously enables you to see EPG information.

The TV (or Radio) button provides facilities for bouquet maintenance, but also tries to be a bit EPG-ish with Now and Next and frustratingly provides better facility than the EPG in showing greyed out services due to unavailable tuners.

Why isn't the "Channel list context menu" not called "Bouquet context menu". Personally I would be quite happy if the term bouquet was dropped entirely and replaced with Service Groups and then Service List for the constituents of the group.

The TV and Radio buttons enable manual maintenance (in the context of bouquets perhaps Bouquet Arranging might be more appropriate ), a manual facility compared with the automatic function of ABM.

 

[birdman]

The TV (or Radio) button provides facilities for bouquet maintenance, but also tries to be a bit EPG-ish with Now and Next and frustratingly provides better facility than the EPG in showing greyed out services due to unavailable tuners.

I'm trying to track down how this is done.
It's not obvious.....so if anyone knows, hints would be welcome.

 

[DaMacFunkin]

Pressing the EPG button displays a list of bouquets in the "Choose Bouquet" screen.

Not on my E2 boxes it doesn't, when i press the epg button my boxes go straight to 7 day graphical epg for the bouquet i'm in.
When i press the TV button or the arrow up or down i am taken to the channel selection page, which conveniently shows now and next epg data as well.
I have a wife, i think this is how a sane husband would want this to work, keep her away from the bouquets at all costs.
But back to convenience, e2 has had a lot of good ideas over the years and this is why a lot of boundary's have become blurred.
In the channel selection page can you see what is on later in the evening and set a timer for it? No so it isn't really an epg is it?
In the Graphical epg can you skip through 500 hundred channels in just a few presses? No so it isn't really channel selection is it.
I personally don't think channels should be greyed out in Graphical epg, as i have said the main purpose of this is to set a future timer or reminder, in the future the channel may well be available, if not this will be covered by Timer conflicts... I think it is fine how it is, people just need to use the correct terminology, it really is how all the confusion starts.

 

[abu baniaz]

FWIW, You can skip through the 500 channels in G-EPG within a few presses. Once in EPG screen, Press TV button, you will be able to select a bouquet of choice to display EPG.

 

[abu baniaz]

@Birdman, once in channel list, press the Menu button. This then activates Channel List Context Menu.

You can then move, delete, add, rename services to the bouquet.

 

[ccs]

Not on my E2 boxes it doesn't, when i press the epg button my boxes go straight to 7 day graphical epg for the bouquet i'm in.

...only because you've chosen the option not to display a list of bouquets.

 

[Larry-G]

OpenVix 3.1 is very old.

that makes no difference here.