[ViX_Misc] Debug logs time format

[Joe_90]

Just add the difference in seconds

 

[birdman]

You can work it all out from this line:....

Actually, this one is more helpful:

< 48.4063> [XMLTVImport] autostart (0) occured at 1604512949.75

As you can use those two numbers in a simple Perl one-liner to get the time from any tag. e.g.:

[FONT=monospace][COLOR=#000000][parent]: perl -le 'print scalar localtime(shift()-48.4063+1604512949.75)'  38.7348 [/COLOR]
Wed Nov  4 18:02:20 2020 
[parent]: perl -le 'print scalar localtime(shift()-48.4063+1604512949.75)'  170706.9567 
Fri Nov  6 17:26:48 2020[/FONT]

 

[ccs]

Actually, this one is more helpful:
As you can use those two numbers in a simple Perl one-liner to get the time from any tag. e.g.:

[FONT=monospace][COLOR=#000000][parent]: perl -le 'print scalar localtime(shift()-48.4063+1604512949.75)'  38.7348 [/COLOR]
Wed Nov  4 18:02:20 2020 
[parent]: perl -le 'print scalar localtime(shift()-48.4063+1604512949.75)'  170706.9567 
Fri Nov  6 17:26:48 2020[/FONT]

There is a much simpler way (that's an understatement), but unfortunately it has been rejected.

 

[Joe_90]

I actually use the real-time setting in my debug logs as it's an option. My tongue-in-cheek reply to you was just a joke! I don't really know why this thread is so long - people should use whatever option is most suitable for them. Most users don't have debug logs enabled. It's mostly testers or devs who use them. I think it's great to finally have the option of different time settings in the logfile.

 

[twol]

I actually use the real-time setting in my debug logs as it's an option. My tongue-in-cheek reply to you was just a joke! I don't really know why this thread is so long - people should use whatever option is most suitable for them. Most users don't have debug logs enabled. It's mostly testers or devs who use them. I think it's great to finally have the option of different time settings in the logfile.

Totally agree with you

 

[ccs]

I actually use the real-time setting in my debug logs as it's an option. My tongue-in-cheek reply to you was just a joke! I don't really know why this thread is so long - people should use whatever option is most suitable for them. Most users don't have debug logs enabled. It's mostly testers or devs who use them. I think it's great to finally have the option of different time settings in the logfile.

Why do you use it then, maybe because it's useful?

Most users who are asked to submit debug logs or crash logs don't have real time set, that is the point I'm failing to get across.

Devs and testers can set the option to whatever they want for their logs, but that doesn't affect anybody else's logs.

Maybe I'll just stop looking at them in the future.

 

[Joe_90]

...

Maybe I'll just stop looking at them in the future.

@ccs - I certainly didn't realise that you were making the point that the time format default was to make it easier for you to analyse debug logs. When I'm looking at submitted logs I just accept the format for what it is and if relevant try to work out when specific events occur from the seconds offset from a known timestamp. Please don't stop looking at submitted logs - your contributions are greatly valued.

 

[abu baniaz]

I am pretty sure we are the first image to offer actual time in logs. It is the most useful layout.

I don't know why there is such objection to it being the default. Almost all the objectors aren't even using the current default.

The days of ViX being geared for benefit of end user are definitely over!

 

[birdman]

I am pretty sure we are the first image to offer actual time in logs. It is the most useful layout.

Personally I find time-since-boot more useful, as it's easier to judge progressions from a single number.
It does help to have an anchor to real time, though, so writing such an entry when a new log is opened (rotated because of size) would be helpful, as would ensuring there is such a record in a crashlog.

 

[abu baniaz]

What is useful to you or me is irrelevant. We can set what we want.

As already posted you are more than capable of using scripts to alter the debug log to interrogate it. Very few of our users or testers are in the same boat as you.

The default should be what is useful to majority of people. When they look at their logs or upload them, it should be simple to read/follow.

 

[Joe_90]

As an aside - I had a look at my OpenATV debug log. It uses realtime only. No options.

 

[Tkr001]

The days of ViX being geared for benefit of end user are definitely over!

You are joking right? What is the point of the image if not for the benefit of end users?

 

[twol]

No, when do you see me post jokes? Just look here. People getting banned for complaining about an item that has been in Vix for many years

https://www.world-of-satellite.com/showthread.php?63406-Menubutton-in-5-4

========= deleted ========

 

[abu baniaz]

Well Abu, when I 1st joined you had no issues hitting me for a really minor criticism - so OK for you to take actions against users, but not anybody else

I don't recall banning you. Please remind me which post you made that led me to do that. If banning you was unwarranated, I will offer my apology.

People should not be silenced for airing cristicsm of changes. A discussion can be had as to why, and see if a happy medium can be found. And people can understand why the changes have been made and why the loss had to be suffered.

This only works when people do not want to be deceptive

 

[twol]

I don't recall banning you. Please remind me which post you made that led me to do that. If banning you was unwarranated, I will offer my apology.

People should not be silenced for airing cristicsm of changes. A discussion can be had as to why, and see if a happy medium can be found. And people can understand why the changes have been made and why the loss had to be suffered.

This only works when people do not want to be deceptive

Abu, I wanted to forget it (thats why I deleted it, before your response) ...but then you have to your 5 pennyworth regardless

 

[abu baniaz]

Abu, I wanted to forget it (thats why I deleted it, before your response) ...but then you have to your 5 pennyworth regardless

You obviously have not forgotten. And how can I respond to a deleted post? If I owe you an apology, it is only right that I do.

However, you have now accused me of double standards. So you need to substantiate this attack on my honour and integrity.

 

[twol]

You obviously have not forgotten. And how can I respond to a deleted post? If I owe you an apology, it is only right that I do.

However, you have now accused me of double standards. So you need to substantiate this attack on my honour and integrity.

I don‘t need to do anything - cool down Abu

 

[abu baniaz]

I don‘t need to do anything - cool down Abu

You don't have to do anything.

You have accused me of double standards. Where is your evidence?

 

[abu baniaz]

Found it:
I gave you an infraction for your comment to PeterJ, one of the developers. I did not ban you.

https://www.world-of-satellite.com/showthread.php?46150-Warning-for-twol-Insulted-Staff

 

[Sicilian]

Can we please keep on topic here.

For the record I'd prefer the default left as is, its a user configurable option anyway.