mutant hd51

[Larry-G]

Wait... you hate something more than AirDigital products? Joking asside I can't say one way or another what the image is like or the supplier, i've used neither - though after today that may change. I can't argue with the commercial link between image development and box sales - this forum proves that link is healthy and active.



I come from a cable background and have been a Kodi/OE fan for a long time, WETEK have a decent OE link, i'd have loved them to build on that, hence the 'toy' to play with outlook, i've since decided to go the other way, hence back to sat for the first time in a long time. My FTV4K is a great box, it's as snappy as the i3 NUC+SSD for general use and is now my go-to option for friends/family.



I did nothing other than moan on here and bug some old friends in Germany, they were good enough to get an answer for me on the critical question of FBC and a few other bits, I asked if I could re-post the FBC info and was told it was OK. A few other bits that were mentioned i've not said anything about as they're not relevant, but it looks like Mut@nt have a few tricks in development for the HD51, the overclocked boot loader being the first of 3 features that were mentioned. Thank Sicilian for ordering them

By all means do your own research and you will see how bad a company they are to deal with (the first clowns not wetek) and yes I detest them with more bile than airgidigtal. At least there openly out to rob you, these lot try to do it on the sly and fail every time.

 

[steviesoitis]

What's the other two features if you can share the info? Cheers

 

[Avalon]

I didn't ask if I was allowed to mention those, so lets just say that they're features normally found in other boxes that aren't currently part of the feature set of the HD51 and one of them is quite obviously missing.

 

[macaw000]

I bought this box (Mutant HD51) 3 weeks ago and I am really satisfied with it. I would like to know when an Openvix is going to be available for that model?

Regards,

 

[john doe]

I bought this box (Mutant HD51) 3 weeks ago and I am really satisfied with it. I would like to know when an Openvix is going to be available for that model?

Regards,

the sponser is taking orders for the box and looks like openvix image (and other images) come with it. so I assume very soon

 

[Sicilian]

Moved to new HD51 section.

 

[crossa]

hi guys would it be worth waiting for one of these or would i be better going for a vu box?

 

[maxal]

I'am waiting just wish there was some available in the UK to buy.

 

[Avalon]

I'am waiting just wish there was some available in the UK to buy.

Boxes have been available in the UK for months at the same price as WoS are charging for pre-orders, just not from WoS. I ended up going with a Solo4K as I wanted FBC and Unicable and could't wait. New dish up, LNB installed and running, the hardest part has been getting used to OSCAM rather than MGCamd, that's taken a few hours to get my head round and find the right config for my use.

If you don't *need* FBC now then nothing else touches the HD51 for the money, ARM is a massive leap forward.

 

[DaMacFunkin]

ARM is a massive leap forward.

Hello as a fellow solo4k user and owner of other audio video products that use ARM can i ask why you think it is a massive leap forward?
I'm not looking for an argument or anything i just would like to know what you find is an improvement, because my experiences so far have been frustrating.
I understand that a lot of manufacturers are using ARM because of the so called bang for buck, but all my devices that use it seem to have the same caveat and it is something VU+, Nvidia, Google (Android TV) have tried to fix but can't.

 

[maxal]

Boxes have been available in the UK for months at the same price as WoS are charging for pre-orders, just not from WoS. I ended up going with a Solo4K as I wanted FBC and Unicable and could't wait. New dish up, LNB installed and running, the hardest part has been getting used to OSCAM rather than MGCamd, that's taken a few hours to get my head round and find the right config for my use.

If you don't *need* FBC now then nothing else touches the HD51 for the money, ARM is a massive leap forward.

Hi thanks for replying any chance you can point me in the right direction from where I can buy a HD51 today as I have tried alot of different resellers and no one has any stock

 

[Sicilian]

Hi thanks for replying any chance you can point me in the right direction from where I can buy a HD51 today as I have tried alot of different resellers and no one has any stock

No one has any stock, you can pre-order from WoS here http://www.world-of-satellite.co.uk/mut@nt-mutant-hd51

 

[Avalon]

Hi thanks for replying any chance you can point me in the right direction from where I can buy a HD51 today as I have tried alot of different resellers and no one has any stock

Not really, we're on WoS' forum and that would be rude. The other distributor may have run out of stock from the first shipments by now, but certainly had stock a week or so back.

 

[twol]

Have to say that all should read DaMacFunkin,s post and understand the i plications before dashing off to buy one
Arm is where the business is driving for good technology reasons (pity its no longer British), but there are implications.
1. you only have to look at how long it has taken to get the Vu box to somewhere useful and the HD51 is still having changes to implement things that you expect from day 1 , like pip. (You have to edit the boot file to get features)
2. Enigma gui restart is fast, but although full restart is faster, not a lot
3. E2 wise, it offers what all the others offer now.
4. some functionality like couch flash is missing on ViX
5. Oscam only ... not a big deal and a forward looking softcam

Don,t get me wrong its a nice box but you need the right expectations set or you could be disappointed

 

[Avalon]

Hello as a fellow solo4k user and owner of other audio video products that use ARM can i ask why you think it is a massive leap forward?
I'm not looking for an argument or anything i just would like to know what you find is an improvement, because my experiences so far have been frustrating.
I understand that a lot of manufacturers are using ARM because of the so called bang for buck, but all my devices that use it seem to have the same caveat and it is something VU+, Nvidia, Google (Android TV) have tried to fix but can't.

Firstly let me start by saying I really didn't want to buy a Solo4K. Like 4K TV's it's not a standard I want to buy into at this point. HVEC is nice, but no VP9? I don't want to transcode anything if I can avoid it as that would require more CPU power or hardware support on the other end and that gets expensive and even less efficient. You also have Vu's history, they ride ruff shot over GPL as and when it suits them, release barely functional products and expect the teams to develop them, it's almost like they are out to do the bare minimum to be able to sell the product and don't really want to know afterwards. On the up side they have via the parent company built a decent relationship with the Kodi team and it seems that could be an area of interest and in general the hardware is well proven and very widely supported. Either way I probably didn't want a S4K, an Uno4K perhaps (cheaper, single FBC, no screen) but not the S4K. Then I needed to up the tuner count at Avalon Towers, remote tuners look like a great way to loose what little hair I have left from reading up on them, so FBC seemed the better option.

My plan was to buy an HD51, wait a few months for FBC to be released as an upgrade path and then make the jump. Problems being, I don't know when FBC tuners will launch, I don't know what availability will be like or the price and I don't know how long it'll take to be usable or even if the hardware will work on the HD51 platform. As this thread shows WoS didn't take up the offer of limited early stock and opted for the larger shipment due in shortly, but - with respect - as earlier posts show, it's not easy to get info on support or availability, so I gave up and looked elsewhere. I sat down last week to sort out an order for a few boxes for family members and it basically came down to this: If I buy a £249 HD51 dual DVB-S now, what are the odds of me being able to upgrade to 1-2 FBC tuners for £100 making it the same price as a S4K? Slim at best. Add the previously mentioned concerns and that's why I have an S4K under the AV unit and a new dish/LNB. It also helped that I didn't have to pay retail

As to why I see ARM as a massive leap forward, it's simply down to performance, the hardware is imperfect, but having lived through 10 years of playing with WRT on mips routers and the 3rd party firmware on Link Stations and other NAS devices etc. it's obvious to me that each platform that has moved over has stumbled at first, but the results have been a massive increase in performance and functionality. Oblivious those sectors don't deal with graphical processing in the same way as the devices we're discussing, but the future in my humble opinion is ARM.

Have to say that all should read DaMacFunkin,s post and understand the i plications before dashing off to buy one
Arm is where the business is driving for good technology reasons (pity its no longer British), but there are implications.
1. you only have to look at how long it has taken to get the Vu box to somewhere useful and the HD51 is still having changes to implement things that you expect from day 1 , like pip. (You have to edit the boot file to get features)
2. Enigma gui restart is fast, but although full restart is faster, not a lot
3. E2 wise, it offers what all the others offer now.
4. some functionality like couch flash is missing on ViX
5. Oscam only ... not a big deal and a forward looking softcam

Don,t get me wrong its a nice box but you need the right expectations set or you could be disappointed

100% agree on this, it's early days, things are still changing week by week and boot speed is largely irrelevant if you don't reboot the box that often. OSCAM and I aren't friends (yet), but we're just about able to put up with each other after a few hours of 'negotiation'.

Side note: I appreciate the reply is possibly OT in the sense it's not all about the HD51, but the reason I made the choice not to go with an HD51 may be useful to others considering the purchase.

 

[bassethound]

The other factor stopping me spending big on a new 4K sat box is more sat providers are switching to new encryption.

and we could all be sat on very expensive door stop once the sky's go dark.

 

[Bazzer]

The other factor stopping me spending big on a new 4K sat box is more sat providers are switching to new encryption.

and we could all be sat on very expensive door stop once the sky's go dark.

Jesus i was thinking of getting a new box , i think i will hang fire now

 

[Sicilian]

The other factor stopping me spending big on a new 4K sat box is more sat providers are switching to new encryption.

and we could all be sat on very expensive door stop once the sky's go dark.

Sly is only one provider, there's more to satellite than them. You show me any generic receiver out there that as good as a E2 box, even just for freesat or freeview.

E2 boxes much better than any freesat or freeview box.

 

[Avalon]

The other factor stopping me spending big on a new 4K sat box is more sat providers are switching to new encryption.

and we could all be sat on very expensive door stop once the sky's go dark.

Things change, this is the way of life, things have changed before and they will change again sooner or later, however options will always exist... like putting the Sky card back in the Sky box.

 

[maxal]

No one has any stock, you can pre-order from WoS here http://www.world-of-satellite.co.uk/mut@nt-mutant-hd51

Thanks, I would preorder but i have asked them when they are due in and they can't give me a positive answer.